Re: Q for Next Year's Exam?

2003-07-25 Thread Jonathan L. Entin



A
practical question for Marty Laderman: Does DOJ have other sources of funding
for its activities beyond the regular appropriations bill that passed the House
with those riders? (BTW, they are in sections 803 and 808 of H.R. 2799, the
House-passed Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and
Related Agencies AppropriationsAct, 2004.)As a practical matter, how
sweeping are these restrictions, assuming they survive into the appropriations
bill that is ultimately enacted?
Jonathan L. EntinProfessor of Law and Political
ScienceCase Western Reserve University216-368-3321
(voice)216-368-2086 (fax)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (e-mail) 

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  professors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marty
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  Exam?
  One of the riders provides: "None of the funds appropriated in this Act may
  be used to enforce the judgment in Newdow v. U.S. Congress 292 F.3d 597 (9th
  Cir. 2002)."
  
  The
  other provides: "None of the funds appropriated in this Act may be used
  to enforce the judgment of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh
  Circuit in Glassroth v. Moore, decided July 1, 2003 or Glassroth v. Moore, 229
  F. Supp. 2d 1067 (M. D. Ala. 2002)."
  
  [snip]The riders do not prohibit the Federal
  Government from using funds other than those "appropriated in
  this Act" to enforce the judgments, and do not purport to absolutely prohibit
  any entity (e.g., the Department of Justice) from enforcing
  the judgments -- let alone prohibit every possible enforcement entity, federal
  and state, executive and judicial, from enforcing the judgments. If
  Congress passed a law completely precluding any means of enforcement, only
  then would the statute implicate the classic, and unresolved, questions
  discussed by, e.g., Sager, Fallon 
  Meltzer,etc.


Re: Q for Next Year's Exam?

2003-07-25 Thread Marty Lederman



Unfortunately, now that I've been out of the 
Department awhileI no longer know such things with any degree of 
specificity or assurance. However, I believethe Department has 
historically construed such appropriations riders extremely narrowly, or 
literally, to permit the Department to expend alternative sources of 
fundingin order to fulfill its statutory or constitutional 
obligations. See generally http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/lapsed.upd.htmand 
"Authority for the Continuance of 
Government Functions During a Temporary Lapse in Appropriations, 5 Op. 
O.L.C. 1, 5 (1981).

And,in cases where the 
statutes absolutely preclude DOJ expenditures . . . well, there are always other 
agencies; therefore it's very rare that Congress will act so comprehensively in 
its appropriations function as to preclude the President altogether from 
satisfying his constitutional duty to see that the laws are faithfully 
executed.

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  Jonathan L. Entin 
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  Subject: Re: Q for Next Year's 
Exam?
  
  A 
  practical question for Marty Laderman: Does DOJ have other sources of funding 
  for its activities beyond the regular appropriations bill that passed the 
  House with those riders? (BTW, they are in sections 803 and 808 of H.R. 2799, 
  the House-passed Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, 
  and Related Agencies AppropriationsAct, 2004.)As a practical 
  matter, how sweeping are these restrictions, assuming they survive into the 
  appropriations bill that is ultimately enacted?
  Jonathan L. EntinProfessor of Law and Political 
  ScienceCase Western Reserve University216-368-3321 
  (voice)216-368-2086 (fax)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (e-mail) 
  
-Original Message-From: Discussion list for con 
law professors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
Marty LedermanSent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:12 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Q for 
    Next Year's Exam?
One of the riders provides: "None of the funds appropriated in this Act may 
be used to enforce the judgment in Newdow v. U.S. Congress 292 F.3d 597 (9th 
Cir. 2002)."

The 
other provides: "None of the funds appropriated in this Act may be 
used to enforce the judgment of the United States Court of Appeals for the 
Eleventh Circuit in Glassroth v. Moore, decided July 1, 2003 or Glassroth v. 
Moore, 229 F. Supp. 2d 1067 (M. D. Ala. 
2002)."

[snip]The riders do not prohibit the 
Federal Government from using funds other than those 
"appropriated in this Act" to enforce the judgments, and do not purport to 
absolutely prohibit any entity (e.g., the Department of 
Justice) from enforcing the judgments -- let alone prohibit every possible 
enforcement entity, federal and state, executive and judicial, from 
enforcing the judgments. If Congress passed a law completely 
precluding any means of enforcement, only then would the statute implicate 
the classic, and unresolved, questions discussed by, e.g., Sager, Fallon 
 
Meltzer,etc.