I don't think anything I said or implied suggests separating democracy from majority rule. My point was that there are simple and complex conceptions of 'democracy.' While both include majority rule, only the latter appeals to moral and political concepts--equality, self-determination,
I think that the framers of the United States Constitution (and most of the
participants in this list) would agree that equality, self-determination,
deliberation, and the concept of self-rule, as Prof. Lipkin has defined it,
are all important aspects of just government, as is democracy, provided
