Re: [Container-tools] Theremin Running on Atomic Developer Bundle (ADB)

2016-05-18 Thread Andrew Lee Rubinger
Today I ran the ADB installation instructions from a stock Fedora 23 in a VM, and that worked much better than my system. So I nuked RVM and got past this error. If the ADB guys wanna know: yep, maybe have a look at how this works in the context of RVM install in your $HOME and on the $PATH. :)

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
Mostly that it's still experimental, will probably be enabled but not considered "secure" in OpenShift 3.3 on Docker 1.10, and we're still working to add the right controls and get soak time so that by the time we get to Docker 1.12/1.13 we can say "it's actually secure". On Wed, May 18, 2016 at

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] Cockpit in ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Lalatendu Mohanty
On 05/19/2016 07:03 AM, Praveen Kumar wrote: - Original Message - | From: "Pete Muir" | To: "Lalatendu Mohanty" | Cc: devto...@redhat.com, "container-tools" | Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:20:13 PM | Subject: Re:

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] Cockpit in ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Praveen Kumar
- Original Message - | From: "Pete Muir" | To: "Lalatendu Mohanty" | Cc: devto...@redhat.com, "container-tools" | Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:20:13 PM | Subject: Re: [Devtools] Cockpit in ADB | | Is this

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Praveen Kumar
- Original Message - | From: "Clayton Coleman" | To: "Dusty Mabe" | Cc: devto...@redhat.com, "Aslak Knutsen" , "container-tools" | Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:04:05 PM | Subject: Re:

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
This is a usecase "oc debug" was designed to solve. 1. Set your app up normally (as root) 2. Get it working 3. Run "oc debug dc/foo --as-user=xxx" 4. See that it works or not I'll add that flag, although it will be a while before it makes it into an origin release. On May 18, 2016, at 7:55 AM,

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Burr Sutter
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Aaron Weitekamp wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Dusty Mabe wrote: > >> >> >> On 05/18/2016 07:18 AM, Aslak Knutsen wrote: >> > I think most teams at the Brno F2F were struggling with this. It works >> locally,

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
It's surprising to you because you know that there *should* be protections and then try to reduce them. For the vast majority of users, there is no surprise, because they have no expectation. Explaining that expectation, helping users transition, and educating them via example is something we

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Aaron Weitekamp
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Dusty Mabe wrote: > > > On 05/18/2016 07:18 AM, Aslak Knutsen wrote: > > I think most teams at the Brno F2F were struggling with this. It works > locally, but semi-obscure failures when pushed 'live'. And out of the 30 RH > engineers there,

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
Yeah, if CDK was running with this enabled I would not be able to run anything in any meaningful timeframe on openshift. I wish there was a better way though. i.e. that I could set a flag for a specific deployment wether it should be allowed to run as root or not without making this a fully

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Aslak Knutsen
An index.openshift.org with proper images similar to 'index.docker.org' would be a start :) On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > Yeah, if CDK was running with this enabled I would not be able to run > anything > in any meaningful timeframe on

Re: [Container-tools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
It was a deliberate choice, predicated on other changes coming to Docker (user namespaces) plus the desire to ensure demos run. Ultimately, the CDK is a playground. Putting up chain link fences around the playground sends the wrong message. I'd prefer to have it easier to go between the levels

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
Ideally a build would continue into deployment, but there are some challenges. We definitely need to brainstorm and implement better guide rails around this in the near term. On May 18, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Burr Sutter wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Clayton Coleman

[Container-tools] Atomic App / Nulecule spec reviews

2016-05-18 Thread Charlie Drage
Hi all! I've made some considerable progress in regards to the Nulecule / Atomic App direction and how we're becoming more of a deployment tool for distributing and deploying multi-container applications. However! I'm starting to become blocked now due to awaiting spec / code reviews as I begin

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Burr Sutter
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > start build has no idea what your destination runtime environment is, > unfortunately. > Interesting...from an end-user perspective, it causes a "redeployment" but I guess that is Openshift picking up the image

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Burr Sutter
Actually I was thinking we need the warning on "oc start-build" since that is how we are primarily re-deploying to OpenShift for Helloworld MSA. On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > Yes, this is an openshift problem (really, it's container platform, >

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] Cockpit in ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Pete Muir
Is this installed on the host, or is it in a container? My concern is that it will increase the size of the VM. On 17 May 2016 at 18:43, Lalatendu Mohanty wrote: > Hi, > > We have added Cockpit packages to ADB as we thought it would add value to > ADB users. > > With

Re: [Container-tools] [Devtools] openshift is way too permissive in the CDK/ADB

2016-05-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
Opened https://github.com/openshift/origin/pull/8929 to make: oc debug dc/thing_that_works_in_cdk --as-user=1 possible, which should catch 90% of real user problems. On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > Ideally a build would continue into