On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 11:48, Crispin Boylan wrote:
...
For example, my
winTV card has never worked properly in windows XP despite numerous
driver revisions since it came out, the sound is still cutting out and
fading - messages to hauppauge have proved useless, they simply send
standard
Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the boot disk creation failure problem that began with the first
beta I tried and lasted into even RC3.
if that happens if you've a tv card, gc fixed that bug last week (was
my fault :-( ), it was a very weird side effect of a use standalone
in
Thierry Vignaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the boot disk creation failure problem that began with the first
beta I tried and lasted into even RC3.
if that happens if you've a tv card, gc fixed that bug last week (was
my fault :-( ), it was a very
I adviced a friend to buy a PC based on Intel chipsets because of
problems I have seen with some AMD chipsets.
Little did I know that there was a problem with 845G.
It is not absolutely necessary that this is solved before
the release of 9.0, but I certainly hope that it will be
shortly after.
You might want to go get some ketchup to go with that foot. As I was reading
things last week, it looked like that where going to go final last Wednesday,
and here we are still in the RC stage, so AFAIK they have been pushing back
the release date. While I still have some issues with certain
Ben Reser wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 12:37:26AM +, SI Reasoning wrote:
I am in the middle of a benefit so I have not participated in the development
process this time. But my brother (a very loud microsoft proponent) has tried it
out. He actually was very impressed but ran into two
although I mentioned drivers as examples, drivers were not the issue per se. I know
that the nvidea drivers come from nvidea, so there is little that can be done with
them. The only issue would be if they work fine in one distro but not another. All
of the mice issues are a bit troubling, esp if
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:35:27PM -0700, David
Walser wrote:
Well 8.2 really stabilized in Cooker a few weeks
after
release, but you couldn't have gotten to that just
from updates.
And AFAIK you should have referred to mandrakefreq
in
the
What I am talking about relates to my last experience with
mandrake 8.2 which was really shaping up to be quite the
solid distribution, but was released a few weeks
before it was ready
I think it would be a wise move to take the extra time
to work through the smaller issues.
I agree
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 12:49, tom447 wrote:
We've been anticipating 9.0 and testing the RC's. With
RC3, some of us are having trouble mounting CDROM drives.
People scoff at things like this and problems with mice,
but a bug like this will kill the foothold we worked hard
to get Mandrake.
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking about waiting
years here... Just taking the time to release the product when it is ready instead
of forcing a deadline. Mandrake 8.2 was released despite a known serious issue with
On Sunday 22 September 2002 09:32 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking
about waiting years here... Just taking the time to release the product
when it is ready instead of forcing a deadline.
--- tom447 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree completely. I just volunteered my entire
Summer
introducing Mandrake 8.2 to our local school system.
Awesome! I might do that in a few years.
I have stuck my neck out for Mandrake... as have
other people
in the school system here. PLEASE don't
I don't understand what your hurry is. Comparing a Linux distribution to
Microsoft is like comparing (forgive the cliche) apples and oranges. There
are some fairly serious bugs in RC3, particularly the mouse problem, that
really should be fixed before considering final release. I commend the
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 14:46, Alastair Scott wrote:
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 12:49, tom447 wrote:
We've been anticipating 9.0 and testing the RC's. With
RC3, some of us are having trouble mounting CDROM drives.
People scoff at things like this and problems with mice,
but a bug like this
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking about waiting
years here... Just taking the time to release the product when it is ready instead
of forcing a deadline. Mandrake 8.2 was
Sitsofe Wheeler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
Unfortunately a platform is only as good as the new programs being
produced for it. I would like to stay on 8.2 for a while after 9.0 is
released but there are pieces of software that I'm really aching for.
Above everything else I wish to run the
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 10:40:42AM -0500, Todd Franklin wrote:
I don't understand what your hurry is. Comparing a Linux distribution
to Microsoft is like comparing (forgive the cliche) apples and oranges.
There are some fairly serious bugs in RC3, particularly the mouse
problem, that
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 02:46:39PM +0100, Alastair Scott wrote:
Unlike Microsoft products there is no compulsion to upgrade*; I don't
know what'll happen in the future, but 8.0 and 8.1 were still having
patches produced when 8.2 was extant and I suggest it would be a
terrible mistake if
On Sunday 22 September 2002 11:44 am, SI Reasoning wrote:
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking
about waiting years here... Just taking the time to release the product
when it
Ben Reser wrote:
The confusion is just that there is one particular individual being very
loud about his issue. There are tons of users using ps/2 mice. If
You want to know why loud? You have to be. I've reported a number of
bugs over several Mandrake beta programs, and only one has
On Sunday 22 September 2002 12:06 pm, SI Reasoning wrote:
Sitsofe Wheeler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
Unfortunately a platform is only as good as the new programs being
produced for it. I would like to stay on 8.2 for a while after 9.0 is
released but there are pieces of software that I'm
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 03:15:35PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
You want to know why loud? You have to be. I've reported a number of
bugs over several Mandrake beta programs, and only one has produced a
response from anyone with a mandrake.com email address. That one was
Guillaume Cottenceau,
On 22 Sep 2002, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote:
Unfortunately a platform is only as good as the new programs being
produced for it. I would like to stay on 8.2 for a while after 9.0 is
released but there are pieces of software that I'm really aching for.
Above everything else I wish to run the latest
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
Then why not revert to the package before the bug? It is a pretty serious bug to
ship with if it creates issues inter-connecting with other windows computers.
However it may be handled, it was a mistake to ship a final version with a major bug
like
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:12, Ben Reser wrote:
Well people with those machines have reported that enabling ACPI in
their kernel's usually fixes their problems. But I personally haven't
tried it. I don't really care I'm not so lazy that I can't press the
power button.
It's kind of handy for
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:15, James wrote:
One thing I've been wanting to do here is to set up a partial mirror of
cooker that holds only packages which haven't changed in (say) 2 weeks.
Debian-testing for Mandrake? (-:
Cheers; Leon
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
Then why not revert to the package before the bug? It is a pretty serious bug to
ship with if it creates issues inter-connecting with other windows computers.
However it may be handled, it was a mistake to ship
SI Reasoning wrote:
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, SI Reasoning wrote:
Then why not revert to the package before the bug? It is a pretty serious bug to
ship with if it creates issues inter-connecting with other windows computers.
However it may be handled, it was
Igor Izyumin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
You can get these with Ximian gnome on 8.2. However, for some unexplained
reason they refuse to work with Mandrake's unified menus. I have no idea
why they are so stubborn on this, I have mentioned it to them plenty of
times but have had no action. I
programs do it just fine. I believe that even the kde3 from kde's website
worked well with it. Did you install the mdk kde3 or the redhat?
The KDE3 from KDE's website is KDE from Mandrake, using the same specs as are
used for Cooker packages.
On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 05:51, Felix Miata wrote:
Regarding the mouse, no one yet on the list has even made an applicable
suggestion. Someone did mention combining /usr onto the same partition
as /, but I don't use a separate /usr to combine, and I seriously doubt
that could possibly be a fix
Ben Reser wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 12:51:49AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
My bigger frustration is discovering problems that survive the official
release. I started beta testing on 8.1, then did 8.2 and now 9.0. Out of
many problems I reported, the only replies from anyone with an
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:12:39AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I reported in on 9 Sep, shortly after RC2 release. It looks like it will
be at least two weeks from then until the final.
The scheduled date was the 13th which got pushed back to the 15th which
got pushed back again... But that was
Ben Reser wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:12:39AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I reported in on 9 Sep, shortly after RC2 release. It looks like it will
be at least two weeks from then until the final.
The scheduled date was the 13th which got pushed back to the 15th which
got pushed back
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:04:51PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I had thought the original target was the 15th, but regardless, my
report was approximately 31 hours after rc2 iso's were on the mirrors. I
think that's a respectable interval to get the iso's downloaded, install
the distro,
I've said this before... but I'll say it again...
Rushing a release to meet a schedule, instead of releasing when fully stable, ends
up hurting the distro in the long run. With Redhat, Sun, Lindows, Xandros and a host
of others now focusing on the desktop (of which Mandrake has been the leader
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:36:40PM +, SI Reasoning wrote:
I've said this before... but I'll say it again...
Rushing a release to meet a schedule, instead of releasing when fully stable, ends
up hurting the distro in the long run. With Redhat, Sun, Lindows, Xandros and a host
of others now
I am in the middle of a benefit so I have not participated in the development
process this time. But my brother (a very loud microsoft proponent) has tried it
out. He actually was very impressed but ran into two problems that I heard about,
one dealing with the nvidea driver and the other was the
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 12:37:26AM +, SI Reasoning wrote:
I am in the middle of a benefit so I have not participated in the development
process this time. But my brother (a very loud microsoft proponent) has tried it
out. He actually was very impressed but ran into two problems that I
On Saturday 21 September 2002 07:34 pm, Ben Reser wrote:
At some point in time you have to call it done. 9.0 seems to me to be
the most polished Mandrake release ever.
I've installed Beta4, RC1, RC2 RC3 without having a single problem with any
of them. I'm very impressed with this
This is the internal mouse for the laptop that he had lock up on him. No problems
with it in 8.2. Most of the little things are just that. The fine tuning that a few
additional weeks would bring, but it makes all of the difference in usability.
Personally, I would consider it ready when cooker
On Saturday 21 September 2002 08:29 pm, SI Reasoning wrote:
This is the internal mouse for the laptop that he had lock up on him. No
problems with it in 8.2. Most of the little things are just that. The fine
tuning that a few additional weeks would bring, but it makes all of the
difference in
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking about waiting
years here... Just taking the time to release the product when it is ready instead
of forcing a deadline. Mandrake 8.2 was released despite a known serious issue with
smb with the kernel. That was something that
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 02:38:06AM +, SI Reasoning wrote:
I have heard this argument before but don't buy it. I am not talking about waiting
years here... Just taking the time to release the product when it is ready instead
of forcing a deadline. Mandrake 8.2 was released despite a known
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Start paying attention. 9.0 was supposed to be
released last week. It
got pushed back a week to fix an issue. But you're
arguing that we
should delay it so we can fix some guys error where
the kernel doesn't
think he has a PS/2 mouse port and
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:29, SI Reasoning wrote:
This is the internal mouse for the laptop that he had lock up on him. No
problems with it in 8.2. Most of the little things are just that. The fine
tuning that a few additional weeks would bring, but it makes all of the
difference in usability.
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:53, Ben Reser wrote:
But you're arguing that we
should delay it so we can fix some guys error where the kernel doesn't
think he has a PS/2 mouse port and nobody else has seen this issue.
Um, not to rain too heavily on your parade, but I've seen quite a few me-too
posts
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:03:09AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
Perhaps we can do a `9.0Q Download Edition' which is Cooker from a week or
fortnight after release? (-: Q as in Quiet or Quiescent :-)
Isn't that what mandrakefreq and updates are for?
--
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 07:59:21PM -0700, David Walser wrote:
I don't think that's the reason, in fact I'm pretty
sure it's not. I think it was an update to some
package like maybe util-linux or modutils or
something. I had thought it was the kernel, but
2.4.18/19 (no ACPI support) work
I was not speaking specifically about this problem. I am also speaking out of
frustration during my participation with 8.2. I tried my best to work through some
issues with the developers, and did get one of the problems resolved, but as a
whole, I felt like 8.2 was getting very close to being a
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:04:56AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
Um, not to rain too heavily on your parade, but I've seen quite a few me-too
posts on this issue.
That's the USB mouse issue. Two different mouse issues. And I believe
the USB mouse issue has been identified and fixed (some
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 07:59:21PM -0700, David
Walser wrote:
I don't think that's the reason, in fact I'm
pretty
sure it's not. I think it was an update to some
package like maybe util-linux or modutils or
something. I had thought it was the
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But you're arguing that we
should delay it so we can fix some guys error where the kernel doesn't
think he has a PS/2 mouse port and nobody else has
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:03:09AM +0800, Leon
Brooks wrote:
Perhaps we can do a `9.0Q Download Edition' which
is Cooker from a week or
fortnight after release? (-: Q as in Quiet or
Quiescent :-)
Isn't that what mandrakefreq and updates are for?
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:35:27PM -0700, David Walser wrote:
Well 8.2 really stabilized in Cooker a few weeks after
release, but you couldn't have gotten to that just
from updates.
And AFAIK you should have referred to mandrakefreq in
the past tense. It was a good idea though, maybe it
David Walser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:03:09AM +0800, Leon
Brooks wrote:
Perhaps we can do a `9.0Q Download Edition' which
is Cooker from a week or
fortnight after release? (-: Q as in Quiet or
Quiescent :-)
Isn't that
Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 08:35:27PM -0700, David Walser wrote:
Well 8.2 really stabilized in Cooker a few weeks after
release, but you couldn't have gotten to that just
from updates.
And AFAIK you should have referred to mandrakefreq in
the past tense.
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 14:30, SI Reasoning wrote:
David Walser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
--- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:03:09AM +0800, Leon
Brooks wrote:
Perhaps we can do a `9.0Q Download Edition' which
is Cooker from a week or
fortnight after
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 04:32:51AM +, SI Reasoning wrote:
If the club rpms are for stabilizing 9.0, doesn't that punish boxed set owners?
No since the free club RPMs are provided in the unsupported tree.
Look for the MandrakeClub dir.
--
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ben.reser.org
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
Stef
Stéphane Teletchéa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found this WE it will help us much.
so please report showstopper bugs (e.g. not non important bugs).
--
Guillaume
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
Stéphane Teletchéa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found this WE it will help us much.
so please report showstopper bugs (e.g. not
On Friday 20 September 2002 10:28 am, Bryan Whitehead wrote:
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
Stéphane Teletchéa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found this WE it will
On Friday 20 September 2002 10:28 am, Bryan Whitehead wrote:
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
Stéphane Teletchéa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found this WE it will
Brook Humphrey wrote:
On Friday 20 September 2002 10:28 am, Bryan Whitehead wrote:
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
Stéphane Teletchéa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it worth testing this WE and reporting monday ?
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found
huug wrote:
Today, Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the first final will be built tonight, so yes if
showstopper bugs are found this WE it will help us much.
How many finals are planned? :) What date do you need to ship one?
The thing I like most in Free,
On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 10:55:39AM -0700, Bryan Whitehead wrote:
Does the install kernel have HIGHMEM on? I don't have any problems
durring the install, it's only the specific enterprise kernel. Perhaps
it's a combo of HIGHMEM + SMP ?
I'm not having any problems with the enterprise kernel.
Aleksander Adamowski wrote:
My opinion is confirmed by many reports concerning RC3 - just look
through. People see serious bugs, and most of those weren't present in
8.2 (e.g. /dev/psaux zapped during install - devfsd issue (yes I've seen
it too on a clean test upgrade from 8.2 - it's
I feel your pain. we've had some struggling with the mouse as well. I've
got rc3 installed on another drive, but haven't been using it that much.
One fix that was suggested: if "usr" is it's own partition, copy "expr"
from /usr/bin to /bin. it seems to have worked for two boots so far.
Todd
Isn't expr usually replaceable with $(()) in the latest bashes?
On Friday 20 September 2002 16:40, Todd Franklin wrote:
I feel your pain. we've had some struggling with the mouse as well.
I've got rc3 installed on another drive, but haven't been using it that
much. One fix that was
dunno, that was a suggestion from another subscriber, but it seems to have
worked so far..
Todd
Digital Wokan wrote:
Isn't expr usually replaceable with $(()) in the latest bashes?
On Friday 20 September 2002 16:40, Todd Franklin wrote:
I feel your pain. we've had some
Todd Franklin wrote:
I feel your pain. we've had some struggling with the mouse as well.
I've got rc3 installed on another drive, but haven't been using it
that much. One fix that was suggested: if usr is it's own partition,
copy expr from /usr/bin to /bin. it seems to have worked for two
On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 12:51:49AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
My bigger frustration is discovering problems that survive the official
release. I started beta testing on 8.1, then did 8.2 and now 9.0. Out of
many problems I reported, the only replies from anyone with an
@mandrake.com address
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