Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-17 Thread James Sparenberg
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 23:05, Warly wrote: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Warly, is there any reason not to make a 4th (entirely optional) ISO of ~ 200MB? We have this dilemma about the download edition: - download is a marketting product which should be better as possible to

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-17 Thread Felix Miata
James Sparenberg wrote: Taking your argument into consideration. Going with less on the download version does tend to make the purchased version more appealing. Make them larger or more in quantity. The 650 disk one + 700mb disk 2 and 3 is a very nice compromise. If you get up and

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-17 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:40, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: but tell me which bleeding edge PC has a 300W PSU ?-) and dual SMP commonly needs = 400-450 :-) ...and count the monitor... Cheers; Leon

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Warly
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Warly, is there any reason not to make a 4th (entirely optional) ISO of ~ 200MB? We have this dilemma about the download edition: - download is a marketting product which should be better as possible to make users switch or use mandrake and then buy

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Pascal Terjan
Leon Brooks wrote: But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always good to cater for the majority, some minorities have a big influence (stupid journalist reviewers...) I agree with this: 650MB for CD1, 700MB for the rest, buys us an extra

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Teletchéa Stéphane
Le mar 16/09/2003 à 11:59, Pascal Terjan a écrit : Leon Brooks wrote: But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always good to cater for the majority, some minorities have a big influence (stupid journalist reviewers...) I agree with

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Eric Fernandez
Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Le mar 16/09/2003 à 11:59, Pascal Terjan a écrit : Leon Brooks wrote: But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always good to cater for the majority, some minorities have a big influence (stupid journalist

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon Brooks wrote: | On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:21, Jan Ciger wrote: | |I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a |CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without having |old obsolete CDs with old versions laying

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15 23:17 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Levi Ramsey wrote: On Mon Sep 15 16:58 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: But we should try not to piss everybody off ... we've already pissed off the freeloaders who don't like adware (and can't read), now we're going to piss off those who have a

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:27, Eric Fernandez wrote: The problem is that stupid reviewers will say : I could install the first CD but the 2 others don't work. Don't tell the stupid reviewers about the other two CDs. (-: Seriously, at least they are able to do an install, which they couldn't do if

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:20, Jan Ciger wrote: Leon Brooks wrote: | On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:21, Jan Ciger wrote: |I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a |CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without | having old obsolete CDs with old versions laying

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:20, Jan Ciger wrote: Leon Brooks wrote: | On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:21, Jan Ciger wrote: |I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a |CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without | having old obsolete CDs with old versions laying

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon Brooks wrote: | On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:20, Jan Ciger wrote: | How much more energy does your computer use burning the rewriteable - | slowly - each time than burning a one-shot? Budget about 70W for an | economical Linux white box with a flat

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread FACORAT Fabrice
Le mar 16/09/2003 à 06:05, Warly a écrit : Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Warly, is there any reason not to make a 4th (entirely optional) ISO of ~ 200MB? We have this dilemma about the download edition: - download is a marketting product which should be better as possible to

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Levi Ramsey wrote: On Mon Sep 15 23:17 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: This is only of value of course in places where fast connections are ubiquitous ... I would *stronly* suggest not pissing off users who bought boxed sets (or other media from the

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchan Milne wrote: | Levi Ramsey wrote: | |On Mon Sep 15 23:17 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: | | |This is only of value of course in places where fast connections are |ubiquitous ... I would *stronly* suggest not pissing off users who |bought boxed sets

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Eric Fernandez
Jan Ciger wrote: If there are CD-RWs availabe in 700MB size now (some people wrote, that they are), then this point is moot anyway. Jan Jan, I recommend you Infinity 10X 700MB CD-RW, they work very well for me. Eric

[Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Warly
A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? -- Warly

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jure Repinc
Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. Yup 700 is the way to go. In shops where I buy them I can't even see any 650 CD-Rs :)

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:35:01 +0200 Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. Does not really matter to me, I got blanks of both. First thing I do after an installation is to remove the cd sources and add ftp for

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Teletchéa Stéphane
Le lun 15/09/2003 à 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? +1 Stef -- signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Simon Oosthoek
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:35:01PM +0200, Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? for myself I'm happy with either size. But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Radek Vybiral
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Jure Repinc wrote: Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. Yup 700 is the way to go. In shops where I buy them I can't even see any 650 CD-Rs :) Yes, I'm voting for 700MB ISOs too. With this disc size we

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | Wasn't this exactly the other way round last time ? I remember, that 9.0 ~ shipped with 700MB ISOs and there were lots of complaints

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Götz Waschk
Am Montag, 15. September 2003, 13:21:01 Uhr MET, schrieb Jan Ciger: I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without having old obsolete CDs with old versions laying around. Or does anybody know, where to get 700MB

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? No matter, all can be burned on DVD+rw 4.7 GB ;) And all can be installed from mirror network tree. -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? Most users have =128MB ram, but I don't see us adding features to the installer to take advantage of the extra ram. Remember your minimum

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Zdenek Mazanec
A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? No matter, all can be burned on DVD+rw 4.7 GB ;) And all can be installed from mirror network tree. Yes! I vote for DVD(+/-R,RW) iso too ;-) -- Zdenek Mazanec, Contactel s.r.o.

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Eric Fernandez
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | Wasn't this exactly the other way round last time ? I remember, that 9.0 ~ shipped with 700MB ISOs and there were

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Eric Fernandez
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Ric Johnson
--- Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? -- Warly I think that people should be using the hd.img more and letting y'all make the CD ISO images whatever size you want them to be. However, I'd

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Kevin Perros
A 3 650 Mb CD pack should be fine, it should be enough to put a standard desktop for the end-user. Maybe even a 2 CD interbational release, with 2 aditional CDs with more apps.

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread cpjc
Hi, mainly personnal reasons but I prefer 650MB for short-time-life versions (beta's and rc) because my CD-RWs are 650MB ones, 700MB for the final version because I use 700MB CD-R and I want more packages ;-) Berthy Le lun 15/09/2003 à 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now)

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 14:07, cpjc a écrit : Hi, mainly personnal reasons but I prefer 650MB for short-time-life versions (beta's and rc) because my CD-RWs are 650MB ones, 700MB for the final version because I use 700MB CD-R and I want more packages ;-) I fully agree ! I wished to write

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread John Allen
On Monday 15 September 2003 12:35, Olivier Thauvin wrote: Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? No matter, all can be burned on DVD+rw 4.7 GB ;) And all can be installed from

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Götz Waschk wrote: | | Don't know about your country, but here in Germany you can buy good | TDK CD-RWs with 700MB capacity at Vobis. Seems, that I will have to look again :-) Last time I checked they weren't available around here, but perhaps it

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 14:39, John Allen a écrit : On Monday 15 September 2003 12:35, Olivier Thauvin wrote: Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? No matter, all can be

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Sitsofe Wheeler
I still prefer the 650Mb CDs. I have been burning all the Mandrakes since 8.0 (and skipping 9.0) to the same set 650Mb CDRWs. If you stick with 650Mb it makes it one less thing that can go wrong when someone asks to try it. Whatever you do, please don't create two differing sets of CD sizes (i.e.

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
On Monday 15 September 2003 12:35, Olivier Thauvin wrote: Le Lundi 15 Septembre 2003 12:35, Warly a écrit : A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? No matter, all can be burned on DVD+rw 4.7 GB ;) And all can be installed

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Austin
On 09/15/2003 06:41:50 AM, Jure Repinc wrote: Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. Yup 700 is the way to go. In shops where I buy them I can't even see any 650 CD-Rs :) We've discussed this before. It doesn't matter if 700 MB CD's

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: | We've discussed this before. | It doesn't matter if 700 MB CD's are available, it matters if someone | wants to install Mandrake on an old i586 to make an ftp server or | something. Or old laptops or whatever. They do not have the

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Austin
On 09/15/2003 09:42:36 AM, Jan Ciger wrote: Honestly, how many such old machines are going to be installed with Mandrake ? I didn't see a machine unable to read 700MB ISOs in a very long time. If the box is unable to read them, then probably Mandrake isn't the best choice for it anyway - low

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Austin
On 09/15/2003 05:52:36 AM, Austin wrote: You will make some enemies by giving 650 MB CD's to a use with an old machine, Of course I meant 700 MB here. Austin

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: | | On 09/15/2003 05:52:36 AM, Austin wrote: | | You will make some enemies by giving 650 MB CD's to a use with an old | machine, | | | Of course I meant 700 MB here. | Austin Agreed, but the tradeoff is, how many of such enemies are you

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Ciger wrote: Austin wrote: | | On 09/15/2003 05:52:36 AM, Austin wrote: | | You will make some enemies by giving 650 MB CD's to a use with an old | machine, | | | Of course I meant 700 MB here. | Austin Agreed, but the tradeoff is, how

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Pascal Terjan
Buchan Milne wrote: Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? Most users have =128MB ram, but I don't see us adding features to the installer to take advantage of the extra ram. Remember your minimum requirements. Machines which

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread jokerman64
On Monday 15 September 2003 10:57 am, Pascal Terjan wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. WDYT? Most users have =128MB ram, but I don't see us adding features to the installer to take advantage

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Guillaume Bedot
Le lun 15/09/2003 à 17:21, Jan Ciger a écrit : | Buchan Milne wrote: | Warly, is there any reason not to make a 4th (entirely optional) ISO of | ~ 200MB? That's a good question. I guess, it would be much better, than trying to squeeze everything on just three disks. This would allow using

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Oden Eriksson
måndagen den 15 september 2003 22.26 skrev Guillaume Bedot: Le lun 15/09/2003 à 17:21, Jan Ciger a écrit : | Buchan Milne wrote: | Warly, is there any reason not to make a 4th (entirely optional) ISO of | ~ 200MB? That's a good question. I guess, it would be much better, than trying to

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oden Eriksson wrote: | To be anal and extreme I vote for a small basesystem+urpmi ISO, that way | everyone's happy... Get the shit you want. Get more shit if you buy the boxed | set. | | The one that is not able to install whatever he like using urpmi

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15 16:58 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: But we should try not to piss everybody off ... we've already pissed off the freeloaders who don't like adware (and can't read), now we're going to piss off those who have a dodgy CDROM drive who don't see the need to spend $30 on a new one when

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Levi Ramsey wrote: On Mon Sep 15 16:58 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: But we should try not to piss everybody off ... we've already pissed off the freeloaders who don't like adware (and can't read), now we're going to piss off those who have a dodgy

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Leon Brooks
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:00, Simon Oosthoek wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:35:01PM +0200, Warly wrote: A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB discs over 650 MB ones. But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Leon Brooks
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:21, Jan Ciger wrote: I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without having old obsolete CDs with old versions laying around. At AUD$0.40 a blank, who cares? Cheers; Leon