Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2014, 09:22 -0500 schrieb mrnuke:
Masters, of Gerrit, the pleasure of training gerrit to implement this change
is left entirely to you.
While we're specifying behaviour: what should happen to changes that
affect multiple maintainer domains?
(and before you say they
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 03:32:12 PM Patrick Georgi wrote:
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2014, 09:22 -0500 schrieb mrnuke:
Masters, of Gerrit, the pleasure of training gerrit to implement this
change is left entirely to you.
While we're specifying behaviour: what should happen to changes that
* ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com [140325 06:34]:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Vladimir ' -coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this prevents any of my propositions for the bulk of the
boards. The problem you describe isn't going away with
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 06:56:13 PM Stefan Reinauer wrote:
* ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com [140325 06:34]:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Vladimir ' -coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this prevents any of my propositions for the bulk of
* mrnuke mr.nuke...@gmail.com [140325 19:13]:
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 06:56:13 PM Stefan Reinauer wrote:
* ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com [140325 06:34]:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Vladimir ' -coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this
Dear Stefan, dear coreboot folks,
Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2014, 22:55 +0100 schrieb Stefan Reinauer:
Changes to the coreboot Project Structure
We -- the coreboot project -- have succeeded beyond our wildest
expectations, with every major laptop vendor using our code. Going
forward, this
Hi folks,
ok, sorry to those who thought that I was missing in action. It feels
good to have a weekend to get out into the sun every now and then, and
let the dust settle a little bit in a maybe too heated discussion.
I will address your concerns.
* mrnuke mr.nuke...@gmail.com [140320 23:42]:
Hi Carl-Daniel,
thank you for your feedback!
* Carl-Daniel Hailfinger c-d.hailfinger.devel.2...@gmx.net [140321 01:39]:
I see a huge bottleneck in restricting the number of committers to six.
- Corporate committers will be primarily obliged to get the stuff of
their own employer committed,
* David Hubbard david.c.hubbard+coreb...@gmail.com [140323 10:56]:
Coreboot can be relevant even if it only supports obsolete silicon. Coreboot
was the first to bring sub-second boot times to laptops. There are more
examples.
Yes, we worked hard to get to that goal. If it were about obsolete
* David Hubbard david.c.hubbard+coreb...@gmail.com [140323 20:33]:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Vladimir ' -coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote:
So I believe the problem is not the idea of gatekeepers, but the
manner
* Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com [140321 04:31]:
The proposition of gatekeepers would essentially kill community effort.
Even in current infrastructure reviewing is a major slowdown. With small
number of gatekeepers there wouldn't be any significant contributions as
On 25.03.2014 02:33, Stefan Reinauer wrote:
* David Hubbard david.c.hubbard+coreb...@gmail.com [140323 20:33]:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Vladimir ' -coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote:
So I believe the problem is not
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this prevents any of my propositions for the bulk of the
boards. The problem you describe isn't going away with your proposition.
We still want to have a top which is supposed to
On 25.03.2014 06:34, ron minnich wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com mailto:phco...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how this prevents any of my propositions for the bulk of the
boards. The problem you describe isn't
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
That's why I added *supposed to*. I'm aware that some boards are
probably broken and not much we can do about it.
Except remove them, right?
ron
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On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote:
That isn't too different from creating a fork?
Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who
pushed the community out in the first place.
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On Sunday, March 23, 2014 07:34:32 AM Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
wrote:
On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote:
That isn't too different from creating a fork?
Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who
pushed the community out in the first place.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
The proposition of gatekeepers would essentially kill community effort.
That might not be a bad thing.
Unfortunately, considering how the hardware industry works, individual
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:56:35 -0600
David Hubbard david.c.hubbard+coreb...@gmail.com wrote:
Stefan appears to be missing in action.
No, well, he has stated that he want to wait till everybody has calmed
down (on IRC). It looks to me that he may have to wait indefinitely
though, and I would also
David Hubbard wrote:
Unfortunately, considering how the hardware industry works, individual
contributors in the community can't work on code for current hardware.
Peter, you make good points. As a purely community contributor I'd be happy
to sign any necessary NDAs to contribute on Google
David,
When you go out of line with a private email, expect to find yourself on
a public list.
Alex
On 03/23/2014 05:04 AM, David Hubbard wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:26 AM, mrnuke mr.nuke...@gmail.com
mailto:mr.nuke...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 07:34:32 AM
Hello!
Please don't next time. Its considered to be rather rude, especially
if the sender asked you to keep it off the list. I don't pretend to
know what David H, was thinking, but I surmise he was indeed thinking
of that.
-
Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com
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On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder'
Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote:
That isn't too different from creating a fork?
Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who
pushed the community out in the first
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 05:37:37 PM Peter Stuge wrote:
David Hubbard wrote:
But Peter, what's your take on Alex's suggestion: What do we need to
do to allow commercial contributors to work directly upstream? And
before you discount this question for menial technical reasons,
please take
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote:
So I believe the problem is not the idea of gatekeepers, but the
manner in which they are proposed to work. Can you tell me what about
this upsets you? I want to understand.
The problem is that the proposal is that all commits go through
gatekeepers. It's
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote:
I have friends who commit to grub2, and there seem to be gatekeepers
there; how do you manage that process?
In case of grub2 I admit we have exactly the problems I described. I'm
open to having more maintainers but right now it doesn't seem to be
feasible.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote:
So I believe the problem is not the idea of gatekeepers, but the
manner in which they are proposed to work. Can you tell me what about
this upsets you?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:55:57PM +0100, Stefan Reinauer wrote:
Changes to the coreboot Project Structure
We -- the coreboot project -- have succeeded beyond our wildest
expectations, with every major laptop vendor using our code.
[...]
To ensure consistency, scalability and conformity
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
The proposition of gatekeepers would essentially kill community effort.
That might not be a bad thing.
Unfortunately, considering how the hardware industry works, individual
contributors in the community can't work on code for current hardware.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
phco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21.03.2014 01:39, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
Hi Stefan,
streamlining development and maintenance is definitely absoutely
worthwhile. Getting rid of unmaintained code is also a good
On 03/20/2014 11:55 PM, Stefan Reinauer wrote:
Changes to the coreboot Project Structure
..
* Significantly reduce number of submitters
To ensure consistency, scalability and conformity with the general
coreboot strategy, we need to define a clear committer structure that
defines the
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Stefan Reinauer
stefan.reina...@coreboot.org wrote:
* Build a MAINTAINERS file for common code, and encourage people to keep
subsystem maintainers in the loop for changes
Aiming for top notch code quality, the coreboot project is generally
trying to
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
c-d.hailfinger.devel.2...@gmx.net wrote:
Hi Stefan,
streamlining development and maintenance is definitely absoutely
worthwhile. Getting rid of unmaintained code is also a good thing. The
guidelines presented in your mail look mostly
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM, David Hendricks dhend...@google.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
c-d.hailfinger.devel.2...@gmx.net wrote:
Hi Stefan,
streamlining development and maintenance is definitely absoutely
worthwhile. Getting rid of
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:55:57 PM Stefan Reinauer wrote:
Changes to the coreboot Project Structure
Measures to improve the coreboot Development Model
* Require authors to acknowledge changes made in their name (Forge-Author)
[...]
Couldn't agree more.
* Define owners for (sets
ah, blush, somebody wants me to be dictator.
However, I can't do it. First off, if you're not going to let me invade
some country, it's no fun. Secondly, it's hard to find Dictator clothes
that look good on me. Just won't work.
Thirdly, Stefan has been doing this very well for at least 7 years,
Hi Stefan,
streamlining development and maintenance is definitely absoutely
worthwhile. Getting rid of unmaintained code is also a good thing. The
guidelines presented in your mail look mostly good IMHO, but I'd like to
comment on a few things.
Am 20.03.2014 22:55 schrieb Stefan Reinauer:
*
On 21.03.2014 01:39, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
Hi Stefan,
streamlining development and maintenance is definitely absoutely
worthwhile. Getting rid of unmaintained code is also a good thing. The
guidelines presented in your mail look mostly good IMHO, but I'd like to
comment on a few
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