[CoTyroneIreland] Susanna Patterson & Rob't FINLEY and locations

[Teena from BC]

Hello Boyd

I love some of these old manuscripts and bios. of Co. Tyrone people.
Indeed, some researchers are very fortunate to find one written on
their ancestors.!

Especially the ones that are compiled before 1922. A few authors
actually had research done at Dublin and include, in their book,
their discoveries.

I was thrilled to discover years ago, the  'LOVE Family History' by
Rev. William DeLoss  Love Jr. PhD 1851-1918. In this, there are
references to wills, an Administration bond, and inventories, which no
longer exist. Such precious documents to have been copied!

When I read the piece on Robert Finley, my thought was that as he was
a soldier, it would have been very possible for him to meet Susanna
Patterson. Throughout Strabane's history there have been garrisons
stationed there.

I know of a Robert LOVE who was stationed at Strabane in June of 1818,
yet he was born in Aryshire. (so not one of mine)

 the best to you all~ Teena
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] birth places

[K Cooper]

Death certificates are another land mine for erroneous information. My
uncle gave my great-aunt's birthplace (or someone heard him say) "Dunegal"
- but it was really Newtownstewart, County Tyrone. Our family was among
those who did not reminisce about the old country, so what did he know, he
was from Philadelphia!

Also, I have actually seen records indexed as "Strabane, Donegal" (was
Strabane ever in Donegal?) and other combinations that I don't recall at
this moment.

It doesn't help that our ancestors sometimes gave a local version of their
birthplace, as Dennis said, whereas the records are located by parish,
town, or registration district. So, some of my ancestors might have said
Dunmullan, Omagh or Omey, Cappagh (parish), Strabane, etc.

I think it is all a conspiracy to keep genealogists on their toes!

Kathleen


On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:32 AM Dennis Wright  wrote:

> Boyd, I have had the same problem of erroneous birth places in US data.  I
> found that sometimes rather than explain where they came from the
> immigrants pick a larger better known place.  For example my Great Uncle
> Andrew Wright told his children he was born in Dromore, County Tyrone as
> stated in his Obituary.  His birth record shows he was actually Born in
> Ballynafeagh, County Tyrone.  This also happened with my Italian
> grandparents.
>
>
>
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[Alison Kilpatrick]

On 2017-04-18 8:22 AM, Boyd Gray wrote:

I must be even older than I thought, Jim.

What about "across the schugh"?  Don't hear that often now either.

B



I've heard it in Fermanagh, Boyd.

cheers,
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[Boyd Gray]

I must be even older than I thought, Jim.

What about "across the schugh"?  Don't hear that often now either.

B

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On 18 April 2017 at 13:19, James McKane  wrote:

> "Shank's Mare"... gosh I haven't heard that quote for many years!!
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Boyd Gray  wrote:
>
>> These are all fascinating histories, Teena and I wish one of them
>> belonged to my tree.  Oh to know in so much detail what happened to people
>> when they disappeared into America.  We all have lost dozens if not
>> hundreds in that way.
>>
>> However, I am often perplexed by the placenames given in these family
>> histories, usually written by the descendants of the emigres who do not
>> really know Ireland and its geography or society.  One, for example gives
>> their home as Antrim, Co Tyrone.  And this one gives a marriage of someone
>> from Carrickfergus to someone else from Strabane, opposite ends of Ulster.
>> I know that my own folk rarely married "beyond" the schugh"!  With no form
>> of transport except Shank's Mare, they did not travel much more than a few
>> miles from home in their entire lives.  It was mainly clergymen or the very
>> rich who could make such distant connections so I suppose that has to be
>> the explanation, if there has not been an error.
>>
>> But still, what fun it would be to "own" one of these and to tease out
>> the truth as far as it was possible.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Boyd
>>
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>> On 17 April 2017 at 23:46, Teena from BC <4theloveoftyr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Susanna PATTERSON FINLEY's descendants
>>>
>>> Robert Finley born in Ireland (Derry?)  and died at Carrickfergus in
>>> 1809. He was a gunner in the Castle at the seige of Bell Isle (He
>>> served in the reign of the last three kings of England). In the Parish
>>> of Carrickfergus is listed the marriage of Robert Finley to Susanna
>>> Patterson, daughter of Robert Patterson of Strabane, County Tyrone,
>>> Ireland, on May 16, 1740.
>>>
>>> The eldest son, John Finley died at the Parish of Choghill County
>>> Antrim and his will mentions his son, Francis, his son, John, who was
>>> in America at that time, his son James, and a daughter, Margaret, who
>>> had married Mat Blakely.
>>>
>>> The second son, William, left a will dated Jan. 1, 1816 and mentions
>>> his sons, James, Mathew, Pat, Robert, John and daughter, Agnes.
>>>
>>> There is little information concerning the other children of Robert
>>> Finley and Susanna Patterson in the writings of Major France,
>>> indicating to us that Susanna, Mathew, David, and Thomas might have
>>> migrated to America, thus accounting for the absence of records in
>>> Scotland. We do know that James died at Belturbet, unmarried, in 1817
>>>
>>> Conner and Masters, pioneer families of Guernsey County, Ohio; ...
>>> Conner, E. Margaret Masters (Emma Margaret Masters), 1908-
>>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89066040254
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[James McKane]

"Shank's Mare"... gosh I haven't heard that quote for many years!!

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Boyd Gray  wrote:

> These are all fascinating histories, Teena and I wish one of them belonged
> to my tree.  Oh to know in so much detail what happened to people when they
> disappeared into America.  We all have lost dozens if not hundreds in that
> way.
>
> However, I am often perplexed by the placenames given in these family
> histories, usually written by the descendants of the emigres who do not
> really know Ireland and its geography or society.  One, for example gives
> their home as Antrim, Co Tyrone.  And this one gives a marriage of someone
> from Carrickfergus to someone else from Strabane, opposite ends of Ulster.
> I know that my own folk rarely married "beyond" the schugh"!  With no form
> of transport except Shank's Mare, they did not travel much more than a few
> miles from home in their entire lives.  It was mainly clergymen or the very
> rich who could make such distant connections so I suppose that has to be
> the explanation, if there has not been an error.
>
> But still, what fun it would be to "own" one of these and to tease out the
> truth as far as it was possible.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boyd
>
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> On 17 April 2017 at 23:46, Teena from BC <4theloveoftyr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Susanna PATTERSON FINLEY's descendants
>>
>> Robert Finley born in Ireland (Derry?)  and died at Carrickfergus in
>> 1809. He was a gunner in the Castle at the seige of Bell Isle (He
>> served in the reign of the last three kings of England). In the Parish
>> of Carrickfergus is listed the marriage of Robert Finley to Susanna
>> Patterson, daughter of Robert Patterson of Strabane, County Tyrone,
>> Ireland, on May 16, 1740.
>>
>> The eldest son, John Finley died at the Parish of Choghill County
>> Antrim and his will mentions his son, Francis, his son, John, who was
>> in America at that time, his son James, and a daughter, Margaret, who
>> had married Mat Blakely.
>>
>> The second son, William, left a will dated Jan. 1, 1816 and mentions
>> his sons, James, Mathew, Pat, Robert, John and daughter, Agnes.
>>
>> There is little information concerning the other children of Robert
>> Finley and Susanna Patterson in the writings of Major France,
>> indicating to us that Susanna, Mathew, David, and Thomas might have
>> migrated to America, thus accounting for the absence of records in
>> Scotland. We do know that James died at Belturbet, unmarried, in 1817
>>
>> Conner and Masters, pioneer families of Guernsey County, Ohio; ...
>> Conner, E. Margaret Masters (Emma Margaret Masters), 1908-
>> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89066040254
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Susanna PATTERSON daughter of Robert of Strabane / FINLEY

[Boyd Gray]

These are all fascinating histories, Teena and I wish one of them belonged
to my tree.  Oh to know in so much detail what happened to people when they
disappeared into America.  We all have lost dozens if not hundreds in that
way.

However, I am often perplexed by the placenames given in these family
histories, usually written by the descendants of the emigres who do not
really know Ireland and its geography or society.  One, for example gives
their home as Antrim, Co Tyrone.  And this one gives a marriage of someone
from Carrickfergus to someone else from Strabane, opposite ends of Ulster.
I know that my own folk rarely married "beyond" the schugh"!  With no form
of transport except Shank's Mare, they did not travel much more than a few
miles from home in their entire lives.  It was mainly clergymen or the very
rich who could make such distant connections so I suppose that has to be
the explanation, if there has not been an error.

But still, what fun it would be to "own" one of these and to tease out the
truth as far as it was possible.

Thanks.

Boyd

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On 17 April 2017 at 23:46, Teena from BC <4theloveoftyr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Susanna PATTERSON FINLEY's descendants
>
> Robert Finley born in Ireland (Derry?)  and died at Carrickfergus in
> 1809. He was a gunner in the Castle at the seige of Bell Isle (He
> served in the reign of the last three kings of England). In the Parish
> of Carrickfergus is listed the marriage of Robert Finley to Susanna
> Patterson, daughter of Robert Patterson of Strabane, County Tyrone,
> Ireland, on May 16, 1740.
>
> The eldest son, John Finley died at the Parish of Choghill County
> Antrim and his will mentions his son, Francis, his son, John, who was
> in America at that time, his son James, and a daughter, Margaret, who
> had married Mat Blakely.
>
> The second son, William, left a will dated Jan. 1, 1816 and mentions
> his sons, James, Mathew, Pat, Robert, John and daughter, Agnes.
>
> There is little information concerning the other children of Robert
> Finley and Susanna Patterson in the writings of Major France,
> indicating to us that Susanna, Mathew, David, and Thomas might have
> migrated to America, thus accounting for the absence of records in
> Scotland. We do know that James died at Belturbet, unmarried, in 1817
>
> Conner and Masters, pioneer families of Guernsey County, Ohio; ...
> Conner, E. Margaret Masters (Emma Margaret Masters), 1908-
> https://hdl.handle.net/2027/wu.89066040254
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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Who are These People - Johnson/Johnston?? (nee Thompson??) & Her Son

[Boyd Gray]

Pure speculation, Jim, based on a Johnson/Thompson marriage registered at
Omagh within ten years of 1900, which seemed a reasonable date to guess for
the marriage of the woman in the pic and the age of the son.

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 21-May-1908
Parish / District: OMAGH County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: John Charles Johnstone Margaret Thompson
Address: Back Farm Gillygooly
Occupation: LABOURER
Age: 25 24
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Charles Johnstone James Thompson
Address:
Occupation: WATER BAILIFF LABOURER
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Robert McKeown Mary Thompson
Address:
Notes:
LISLIMNAGHAN C.O.I. PARISH OF CAPPAGH.

Civil Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 23-Aug-1910
Parish / District: OMAGH County: TYRONE
Husband Wife
Name: Charles James Johnston Carrie Evelyn Thompson
Address: Drumquinn The Rectory, Upper Langfield
Occupation: MEDICAL DOCTOR
Age: 22 22
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Richard Johnston Thos. O. Thompson
Address:
Occupation: GENTLEMAN JOURNALIST
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: A. M. Love S. M. Thompson
Address:
Notes:
LANGFIELD C.O.I. PARISH OF UPPER LANGFIELD .BOTH AGES GIVEN AS
FULL/OVER 21.THOS. O. THOMPSON (L.L.D.)

Doctor or labourer - rich or poor family?

B


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On 18 April 2017 at 12:34, Jim McKane  wrote:

> Who are These People - Johnson/Johnston?? (nee Thompson??) & Her Son
> 
>
> Please help identify these people! ANY assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
> Jim McKane
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Who are These People - Johnson/Johnston?? (nee Thompson??) & Her Son


Please help identify these people! ANY assistance would be appreciated.


Jim McKane
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