Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Matilda Jane Dunbar Co Tyrone

2018-04-30 Thread Pat H 
Hi Alex

This might be relevant but there is a book called "Newtownstewart
Remembered" by Billy Dunbar. The names Dunbar, McCrossan and Smyth are
mentioned in the book.

Regards

Pat

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Boyd Gray  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> Well, to start with, Matilda cannot be born in 1859 and get married in
> 1867.  Aged 8?  First we need to sort out who is who.
>
> Okay, so let's assume that you have the right marriage and the birth is
> spurious, this is her:
>
> Civil Marriage Record
> Date of Marriage: 09-May-1867
> Parish / District: STRABANE County: TYRONE
> Husband Wife
> Name: David Dumbar Matilda Smyth
> Address: Letterbrat Ballynamallaght
> Occupation: FARMER
> Age: 22 22
> Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
> Husband's Father Wife's Father
> Name: John Dumbar James Smyth
> Address:
> Occupation: FARMER FARMER
> Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
> Name:
> Address:
> Occupation:
> Witness 1 Witness 2
> Name: James Robert Tynan William Smyth
> Address:
> Notes:
> DUNAMANA PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH  PARISH OF DONAGHADY.BOTH AGES GIVEN AS
> FULL OVER 21.
>
> If this is accurate, she was born before 1845, so there will be no civil
> birth record (they began in 1864).
>
> This is her father, he held Plot 13, a 1 acre farm in Ballynamallght in
> the Parish of Donaghedy in 1859:
>
> Griffith's Valuation Record Information
> Tenant
> Family Name 1 SMYTH
> Forename 1 JAMES
> Landlord
> Family Name 2 OGILBY
> Forename 2 JAMES
> Location
> County TYRONE
> Barony STRABANE, LOWER
> Union GORTIN
> Parish DONAGHEDY
> Townland BALLYNAMALLAGHT
> Place Name BALLYNAMALLAGHT
> Place Type TOWNLAND
> Publication Details
> Position on Page 40
> Printing Date 1859
> Act 15&16
> Sheet Number 6
> Map Reference 13 A,B
>
> This is his death:
>
> Name JAMES SMYTH
> Year of Death 1904
> Group Registration ID 3452678
> SR District/Reg Area Strabane
> Deceased Age at Death 96
> Image
> Son, Jacob, also of Ballynamallaght, was present at death
>
> This is her in 1901:
>
> 1901 Census:
> Residents of a house 18 in Letterbrat (Plumbridge, Tyrone)
> Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
> Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
> Dunbar David 59 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read
> and write - Married -
> Dunbar Matilda Jane 52 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read and write
> - Married -
> Dunbar Sarah Ann 20 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read
> and write - Not Married -
> Dunbar Maggie 18 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and
> write - Not Married -
> Dunbar David 16 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and write - Not
> Married -
>
> That gives a YoB of 1849 but this census is often wrong.
>
> And here she is in 1911:
>
> 1911 Census:
> Residents of a house 7 in Letterbrat (Plumb Bridge, Tyrone)
> Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
> Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married 
> Children
> Born Children Living
> Dunbar Matilda Jane 65 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read
> and write - Widow - 44 8 7
> Dunbar James 32 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write -
> Single -
>
> This gives her age as 1846, which is more or less what I guessed from her
> marriage, so forget 1959.  And probably Upper Badoney. unless you know
> different.
>
> This is the death of David which you already have, it seems:
>
> Name DAVID DUNBAR
> Year of Death 1907
> Group Registration ID 3561946
> SR District/Reg Area Strabane
> Deceased Age at Death 68
> Image
>
> He was a farmer from Letterbrat and his daughter, Sarah, was present at
> his death.
>
> This is very probably her death but YOU need to buy the death cert from
> GRONI to be sure.  It costs only £2.50:
>
> D/1923/220/1027/12/173 Jane Dunbar 25th December 1922 77 Female 
> Strabane(pre-1973
> Q4)
>
> Where did you get the 1851 census?!  And her mother's name?
>
> They will be buried in the nearest Presbyterian church.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Regards,
>
> Boyd
>
> https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/
>
> http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/
>
> https://boydgray26.wixsite.com/westulstergenealogy
>
>
> On 29 April 2018 at 20:37, alex carlisle 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi my name is Alex Carlisle I live in England and I'd be really grateful
>> if someone would be able to help me please, i'm trying to trace my
>> family ancestors in Co Tyrone, in particular my Grt Grt Gran Matilda Jane
>> Dunbar Nee Smyth, born 1859 Glencoppogagh townland upper Badney Parish, I
>> do not know when she died or where she is buried.  Matilda married David
>> Dunbar in Donemana Presbyterian Church in 1867, David died in Letterbrat in
>> Upper Badney in 1907. Also her father, James Smyth, her mother Matilda nee
>> McCrossan this is all I found on the 1851 census.  i'd be most grateful
>> for any help if

[CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Ebook - Ash Manuscripts or Ash MSS

2018-04-30 Thread Jim McKane 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

2018-04-30 Thread Fiona Harris 
Haha!  Thanks Len.  I’ll now stop browsing through the Catholic film I found on 
Familysearch!  I was only up to page 14 of 280 so you have saved me a heap of 
work!
Thank you so much – its unbelievable isn’t it, that the error persisted for so 
long.  I am amazed!
How did you find the death?
I don’t suppose Whan could be an abbreviation for Woolaghan, W’han???
Best wishes
Fiona

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From: Len Swindley 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 5:52:51 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List; boydgra...@gmail.com; 
fionaehar...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

Hello all,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here folks, but a little research reveals 
that the Samuel Woolaghan recorded at Killywoolaghan, Ardboe parish, Co. Tyrone 
in Griffiths Valuation was actually WHAN. Yes, these things have  happened 
elsewhere i.e. my research into Kilpatricks in Leckpatrick parish in north 
Tyrone where they have been recorded variously since the 1660s as Leckpatrick, 
McIlpatrick and Kirkpatrick.

The Whans of Killywoolaghan were Catholics whereas all other Whan marriage 
registrations in Cookstown registration district were Presbyterian except for 
one Methodist marriage.

The Samuel Woolaghan recorded c1860 in Griffiths Valuation died December 1896 
aged 101 years, the informant was his son, James Whan. It seems that the error 
in Griffiths was self perpetuating in each of the revaluation books. Such are 
the challenges of Irish genealogical research...

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
Fiona Harris 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:36:53 PM
To: boydgra...@gmail.com; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

Thank you so much for this Boyd.  It is really appreciated.

No I am not specifically looking for a Samuel, but we have been looking around 
the Castlederg area since I started researching 18 years ago – so I thought I 
should perhaps have a look at Killywoolaghan, and if there is a Woolaghan from 
Killywoolaghan so much the better!

Thank you so much for the reference numbers for the parish records, and also 
for having a look at the other resources for me.  In one way its great having 
such an unusual name to research, but in another its very frustrating!

I live in Western Australia – and I had my trip to Castlederg last year with my 
wonderful cousins who I found through DNA testing.  I’ll have to see if they 
are able to visit PRONI for us.

Best wishes
Fiona

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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of Boyd 
Gray 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:59:48 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

Hi Fiona,

Reps usually does mean the person died and the property awaiting settlement.  I 
checked for a will but there was none.

No children born to Samuel Woolaghan at RootsIreland anywhere in Ireland.  RI 
only has two Woolaghan births in Tyrone, both early 19th century and at Sion 
Mills.

No marriages to anyone in Ireland whose father was a Samuel Woolaghan.  No 
Woolaghan or Watters born or married with Killywoolaghan as an address.

No deaths for Samuel Woolaghan at any of RI, IrishGenealogy or GRONI.

Samuel is the only Woolaghan in the Parish of Ardboe in the GV.  He is the onlt 
Woolaghan in Ardboe.  There are only ten Woolaghan entries (several being the 
same person, I suspect), and two Woollaghan entries, in the whole of Tyrone, 
all the others being from Urney Parish.

There is only one Woolaghan in Ireland in the Tithe Applotment Books at the 
National Archives website and he is in Co Wicklow.  However, the more spelling 
friendly FamilySearch website has 14, most spelled Woolahan, but none in Co 
Tyrone.

These are the church records available for the Parish of Arboe and may all be 
viewed at PRONI, a much easier propect than bearding the clergymen of each 
church for a quick peek:

ARBOE, COS LONDONDERRY AND TYRONE
C.I. Arboe (Armagh diocese)
Baptisms, 1775-1813 and 1824-71; marriages, 1773-
1812 and 1824-45; burials, 1776-1813, 1827-1900 and
1905-06; vestry minutes, 1773-1833; list of the poor,
1789 and 1794; census, 1775; confirmation lists, 1775,
1828, 1833, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1870 and 1873; indexes
to baptisms, 1775-1871, and marriages, 1773-1845.
Baptisms, 1871-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1907-;
vestry minutes, 1834-; tithe applotment, 1826; register
of vestrymen, 1870-; preachers’ books, 1845-62 and
1869-.
MIC583/10; D1278
In local custody
P. Ballygoney
Baptisms,

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

2018-04-30 Thread Len Swindley 
Hello all,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here folks, but a little research reveals 
that the Samuel Woolaghan recorded at Killywoolaghan, Ardboe parish, Co. Tyrone 
in Griffiths Valuation was actually WHAN. Yes, these things have  happened 
elsewhere i.e. my research into Kilpatricks in Leckpatrick parish in north 
Tyrone where they have been recorded variously since the 1660s as Leckpatrick, 
McIlpatrick and Kirkpatrick.

The Whans of Killywoolaghan were Catholics whereas all other Whan marriage 
registrations in Cookstown registration district were Presbyterian except for 
one Methodist marriage.

The Samuel Woolaghan recorded c1860 in Griffiths Valuation died December 1896 
aged 101 years, the informant was his son, James Whan. It seems that the error 
in Griffiths was self perpetuating in each of the revaluation books. Such are 
the challenges of Irish genealogical research...

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
Fiona Harris 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 6:36:53 PM
To: boydgra...@gmail.com; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

Thank you so much for this Boyd.  It is really appreciated.

No I am not specifically looking for a Samuel, but we have been looking around 
the Castlederg area since I started researching 18 years ago – so I thought I 
should perhaps have a look at Killywoolaghan, and if there is a Woolaghan from 
Killywoolaghan so much the better!

Thank you so much for the reference numbers for the parish records, and also 
for having a look at the other resources for me.  In one way its great having 
such an unusual name to research, but in another its very frustrating!

I live in Western Australia – and I had my trip to Castlederg last year with my 
wonderful cousins who I found through DNA testing.  I’ll have to see if they 
are able to visit PRONI for us.

Best wishes
Fiona

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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of Boyd 
Gray 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 8:59:48 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] KILLYWOOLAGHAN

Hi Fiona,

Reps usually does mean the person died and the property awaiting settlement.  I 
checked for a will but there was none.

No children born to Samuel Woolaghan at RootsIreland anywhere in Ireland.  RI 
only has two Woolaghan births in Tyrone, both early 19th century and at Sion 
Mills.

No marriages to anyone in Ireland whose father was a Samuel Woolaghan.  No 
Woolaghan or Watters born or married with Killywoolaghan as an address.

No deaths for Samuel Woolaghan at any of RI, IrishGenealogy or GRONI.

Samuel is the only Woolaghan in the Parish of Ardboe in the GV.  He is the onlt 
Woolaghan in Ardboe.  There are only ten Woolaghan entries (several being the 
same person, I suspect), and two Woollaghan entries, in the whole of Tyrone, 
all the others being from Urney Parish.

There is only one Woolaghan in Ireland in the Tithe Applotment Books at the 
National Archives website and he is in Co Wicklow.  However, the more spelling 
friendly FamilySearch website has 14, most spelled Woolahan, but none in Co 
Tyrone.

These are the church records available for the Parish of Arboe and may all be 
viewed at PRONI, a much easier propect than bearding the clergymen of each 
church for a quick peek:

ARBOE, COS LONDONDERRY AND TYRONE
C.I. Arboe (Armagh diocese)
Baptisms, 1775-1813 and 1824-71; marriages, 1773-
1812 and 1824-45; burials, 1776-1813, 1827-1900 and
1905-06; vestry minutes, 1773-1833; list of the poor,
1789 and 1794; census, 1775; confirmation lists, 1775,
1828, 1833, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1870 and 1873; indexes
to baptisms, 1775-1871, and marriages, 1773-1845.
Baptisms, 1871-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1907-;
vestry minutes, 1834-; tithe applotment, 1826; register
of vestrymen, 1870-; preachers’ books, 1845-62 and
1869-.
MIC583/10; D1278
In local custody
P. Ballygoney
Baptisms, 1848-1937; marriages, 1845-1936;
committee minutes, 1891-1997.
Session minutes, 1850-1915; Committee minutes,
1848-69.
MIC1P/448
In Presbyterian Historical
Society
R.C. Arboe [or Ardboe] (Archdiocese of Armagh)
Baptisms, 1827-80; marriages, 1827-81. MIC1D/34

Are you actually looking for a Samuel in particular, Fiona?  Because your best 
bet is really Castlederg if it is just the surname you are chasing.  There is 
virtually nothing on poor old Samuel of Killywoolaghan!  (And I suspect a 
Woolaghan of Killywoolaghan is probably a spurious name anyway!)

Sorry I can be of no more help to you.

Regards,

Boyd



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