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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Observations on the Inhabitants of Clogher Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1833-5
Dear Ron, You have expressed my thoughts perfectly! Thank you. iola Whiteside. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 26, 2018, at 5:52 AM, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList > wrote: > > Hi Len and all > > Thank you Len for sharing this with all of us. I read this and many other > pieces of history. I notice the trend through out of the lack of mention of > positive attributes of the common people. Empathy for another human being is > completely devoid in these reports. The time period scribes never seems to > mention how hard working these people are, how close knit the families be, > the way communities work together or the weight of unfair and unjust economic > burdens they struggle under and still survive and more they insist on > thriving in the face of great adversity. I think these Ordinances are > important pieces of history not as much about what they report or say on the > surface to us but because they tell us a lot about the writer and the class > structure he dwells in. It seems important to him to paint a portrait of the > Irish working class people at a level of sub human strata (you may see pigs > and fowls eating in the kitchen and everything is dirty ). The considerable > hardships people are forced to live in are justified because of their moral > depravity, "49th: It is believed that there is at least an improvement in the > morals and cleanliness of children attending Sunday Schools". This article to > me paints a picture of a people who are brave in the face of over whelming > poverty, and unjust taxation without representation overseen by absentee > land lords. It speaks to me of a devotion to preserve the family and > traditions at all costs. As people who are forced to struggle, their hope > lies in their children and their children's, children, in other words "us". > They would not allow themselves to quit, be broken, or trodden under, despite > the written word, legal system and their betters opinion. They refused to > think of themselves as less then any mans equal. They put all their hopes in > the generations to come, they sacrificed everything to bring "us" into a > safer , a better place... may we not let them down, may we never forget who > they were and what they sacrificed for ,"us", for ,"me". What they did was > not easy and it was not pretty but they did it, a better world for us, those > like us, those like them and those still to come. May we be able to say the > same Thank you Len for bringing these pieces of history to us. > > Cheers > > Ron McCoy > > >> On 2018-10-25 10:20 PM, Gail Mooney via CoTyroneList wrote: >> Thanks Len - Even knowing the history of those hard times, this piece paints >> a pretty grim picture of the environments our people endured as they >> struggled to survive. I imagine depression was common in the population - >> reminds me to be more grateful for my lucky circumstances. >> From: "Len Swindley via CoTyroneList" >> To: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com >> Cc: "Len Swindley" >> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:02:19 PM >> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Observations on the Inhabitants of Clogher >> Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1833-5 >> >> Hello Listers; >> >> There has been recent interest expressed in the lives of our Tyrone forbears >> (thanks to Elwyn) and here is an extract from the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of >> the 1820s-30s that offers some observations on living conditions in Clogher >> parish. Having read through many of the memoirs covering the parishes of Co. >> Tyrone, this report could be applied similarly to all parishes. >> >> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> EXTRACTED FROM ORDNANCE MEMOIRS OF IRELAND: PARISHES OF COUNTY TYRONE VOL. 1 >> (INSTITUTE OF IRISH STUDIES, QUEEN’S UNIVERSITY OF BELFAST) (1990) >> STATISTICAL MEMOIR BY LIEUTENANT R. STOTHERD >> ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: >> THE HABITS OF THE PEOPLE >> 42nd: There is very little order, cleanliness, or neatness in general to be >> found either in the houses or of the more wealthy farmers or in the cottages >> of the poor. The turf stack often approaches within a few yards of the door >> and thus intersects the view and stops the currency of the air. The yard in >> front of the house is full of the odour of the cow house and stable, for >> they are often built in the very front and sometime adjoining the >> dwellinghouse. The lanes and approaches to the house are narrow, rough and >> filthy in the extreme. Within no order is visible; you may see pigs and >> fowls eating in the kitchen and everything is dirty and confused, the >> furniture a few pots and noggins, a stool or a broken chair. The potatoes at >> meals are thrown out in a basket and so laid on the table or on a stool, and >> the whole family gather round, master, mistress, children and servants in a >> mass, and eat out of the basket without knife, fork or any appendage at >> meals. A man who can give his daughter in marriage
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information
Hi Roy iola here. I guess I haven’t done any searching in the Belfast Newsletter Archive for some time. All I had done in the past was a simple google search. Today, everything that comes up...comes at a cost. All I could find that is still accessible is the Louisiana University index. www.ucs.louisiana.edu. I do have a subscription to Ancestry and have access that way. British Newspapers is good also but you must have a subscription. The shipping news in that paper is easy to find though and very interesting. Names of passengers aren’t given however.The Quebec Gazette and the Quebec Morning Chronicle are two other sources but I have not used them. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. iola From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 5:38 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Ron McCoy Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information Hi Elwyn It is always possible that Liverpool played a part but I am working on the memory past down by my great grand father Wm McCoy who makes no mention of Liverpool. He remembered the leaving of Belfast and the terrible passage they had. Locked in a hold as a steerage passenger with terrible sickness aboard the ship. He made no mention to my grand father of any stops other then the landing at Quebec. The church records show their Pastor David Evans who I believed traveled with them leaving his post in 1838 the same year my people say they left. Rev Evans church log shows him recording births and deaths in mid August of 1838 at St. Theresa Quebec where they hoped to homestead but were forced to leave do to political unrest. Taking into account the ice burg season and they did not travel south and come up through he USA that gives a very small window they could have come. I think the most likely time of arrived would be May to mid July. 1838 was by all accounts a lower year for Irish immigrants traveling to Canada according to the Quebec Mercury. Given all of that if it is correct lowers the number of possible ships down to three or four with the Dumfrires Shire being a likely candidate as it is clearly mentioned carrying 276 steerage passengers who are sick and taken to St. Ill de Gosse May 27th. The bulk of the shipping from Belfast was by a company called G.H. Parke owner of the ship. Parke co. They had lost 300 steerage passengers a few years earlier on the ship Lady of the Lake when she struck an ice burg off Newfoundland in late April. This is the only record I can find of the company other then the comings and goings in the Shipping news and the shipping list. Genealogy is as always based on slim hopes. My hope is to find some record that might link my family immigration to a ship. All that I have related to you is bits of information related to me by my father but backed up by historical events. I think their is more to find and it is fun looking. Cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-10-16 4:47 PM, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList wrote: Possibly worth bearing in mind that whilst there were direct ships from Ireland to Canada and elsewhere throughout the 1800s, there were far more from Liverpool. Liverpool acted as a clearing house for migrants from all over Europe, and had far more departures than from Ireland. Competition for the passengers was fierce with ships agents routinely throwing in cost of the short passage from Ireland to Liverpool free (together with dodgy accommodation in Liverpool), as part of the ticket price. Many more migrants in the 1800s left Ireland via Liverpool than left directly from Ireland. Significant numbers also left via Glasgow. For background, see: http://donegalancestry.com/donegal/emigration/ Elwyn On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:20 PM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi Lola I hope you are well and had a good summer. I have searched the Quebec Mercury for information on the shipping news as youi suggested and it was wonderful. I believe my family probably took one of G.H. Parke ships as their line made the most crossings and some such as the Dumfries Shire is listed as having 276 steerage passengers. I have tried to access the Belfast newsletter as you suggested in hopes more information is there but I can only find subscriptions to it? Could you tell me if it is a paid or free site you are using? I also wonder if you know anything about the G.H. Parke co. as there seems to be nothing on line about them? Thank you for your help. cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-08-18 11:07 AM, Iola Whiteside via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi Ron, Iola here. I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and the Quebec Mercury. The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper printed in English. It is east to navigate. Just click on the calendar ikon on the right side, find the year, month etc. I took a quick look and the ships arriving in 1828 are listed. I hope this helps and let me know
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information
Hello Katie, On the top left where it says page 1, change it to page 2 or whatever page you want. There aren’t many pages. Good luck. Iola. From: Katie Green via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:56 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Katie Green Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information Hi ya, I’m not finding it easy to get off the first pages in the Quebec Murcury site. After one clicks on the proper year and month on the calendar icon, then what? I can’t figure out how to get to the year I want. There aren’t any arrows, etc. Thanks, Katie Green On Aug 18, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Iola Whiteside via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi Ron, Iola here. I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and the Quebec Mercury. The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper printed in English. It is east to navigate. Just click on the calendar ikon on the right side, find the year, month etc. I took a quick look and the ships arriving in 1828 are listed. I hope this helps and let me know if I can be of further assistance. Iola. From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:44 PM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Ron McCoy Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information Hi All Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have come. I think the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a great help. Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all for your help Cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote: My family came from Brackagh (Errigal Keerogue) through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 . I was able to find their passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed. Perhaps it’s worth a search here ... https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml Kind Regards On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi all I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828 from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if there was a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if there was not passenger lists. I am confident that they sailed after iceberg season and arrived in the Montreal area around the end of August or beginning of September of 1838. If I had a list of ships sailing out of Belfast I might be able to deduce which ship they sailed on? If anyone has experience or an idea where ships names or records that might have sailed from Belfast it would be of great interest to me? Cheers Ron McCoy ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com -- Libby Vervaeke e.verva...@gmail.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com -- ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information
Hi Ron, Iola here. I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and the Quebec Mercury. The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper printed in English. It is east to navigate. Just click on the calendar ikon on the right side, find the year, month etc. I took a quick look and the ships arriving in 1828 are listed. I hope this helps and let me know if I can be of further assistance. Iola. From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:44 PM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Ron McCoy Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information Hi All Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have come. I think the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a great help. Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all for your help Cheers Ron McCoy On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote: My family came from Brackagh (Errigal Keerogue) through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 . I was able to find their passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed. Perhaps it’s worth a search here ... https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml Kind Regards On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: Hi all I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828 from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if there was a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if there was not passenger lists. I am confident that they sailed after iceberg season and arrived in the Montreal area around the end of August or beginning of September of 1838. If I had a list of ships sailing out of Belfast I might be able to deduce which ship they sailed on? If anyone has experience or an idea where ships names or records that might have sailed from Belfast it would be of great interest to me? Cheers Ron McCoy ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com -- Libby Vervaeke e.verva...@gmail.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
[CoTyroneMailingList] Ship arrivals in 1828
In answer to Ron McCoy’s question, I suggest using the Belfast News for departures and for arrivals the Quebec Mercury newspaper. Both are online. I had success with this method for 1845. For 1828 I have found people listed by name on the records from Quebec City to Montreal. Unless your passengers were staying in Quebec or going east they would have carried on the journey to Montreal. There were several steamships on that route. Hope this helps, Iola Whiteside.___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
