Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

Hello again Peter,

Firstly, the details of the marriage of Lucinda Kincade and John Stevenson:

Mulvin Reformed Presbyterian Church (Ardstraw parish, Co. Tyrone)
#3 Oct 18 1866
John Stevenson full bachelor carpenter Lifford, Co. Donegal. Father: John 
Stevenson carpenter
&
Lucinda Kincade full spinster Ulster Place, Strabane. Father: Thomas Kincade 
farmer
Witnesses: Robert Stevenson & Robert Watson/ Wasson

And the deaths of John Holman Kincaid (died Perth, W.A.) and William Kincaid 
(died Melbourne) may be found in the Ryerson Index https://www.ryersonindex.org/

Hope this helps,
Len

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From: Peter Kincaid <jwk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:45:50 AM
To: Len Swindley
Cc: James McKane; CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

Thank you very much Len for the lookups.  Hard bunch to crack.  One actually 
went to Australia and great grandsons were living in Melbourne in the 1950s.

William Kincaid Sr. died in Silverhill in 1864.  Who knows where he is buried 
then.  I have not yet located his son William, but he probably went to 
Manitoba, Canada where his wife, Nancy McFarlane, had family.

I have no idea what became of John Kincaid and Sarah Kincaid who were in Ballee 
in the Griffiths Valuation.

There seems to have been two James Kincaids.  The first James was the father of 
David Kincaid (born c1829 Dec 1904) of Holyhill who married Ann Jane Sharkey 
(1834-Oct 1996) and went to Geelong, Victoria, Australia.  They are buried in 
Geelong Western Public cemetery.  They had Ann Jane (m. Frank Richard Smith), 
Mary Rebecca (m. Richard Walter Smith), John James Kincaid (1862 - 22 Mar 
1889), and David Kincaid.  The latter married Frances Caroline Logan and later 
Annie Elisa Batson.  By his first wife he had Frances Adeline Kincaid who died 
an infant.  By his second wife he had William Lambert Kincaid, Annie Louise 
Kincaid (m. Albert Stanley Northfield), and Ethelwyn Frances Kincaid (m. Edward 
Martin Walsh).  William Lambert Kincaid married Constance Marjory Glenister and 
moved to Melboune, Australia.  He died in 1951 leaving sons John Holman Kincaid 
and William Kincaid.  I lose track of the sons.  Len, since you are also in 
Melbourne, if you know anything of the sons John Holman Kincaid and William 
Kincaid, please let me know.

The other James Kincaid (c1817-1880) was in Ballee when he married Margaret 
Caton on 1857.  She died in 1874 and he was in Keenaghan when he remarried to 
Susan (Black) Nixon later that year.  They had Margaret (died young) and James 
(born in 1878).  James the father died in 1880 and his widow and son lived in 
Holyhill where they are recorded in the 1901 census.  However, James had 
married Mary Kee in 1899 and they had Mary Jane, James Alexander (died an 
infant), Maggie, and John Augustine/Gustavus, James Thomas, Sarah Kathleen, 
Annie Evisena, Fanny Edith, and Anne Martha Elizabeth Kinkaid.  The wife and 
children appear in Holyhill in the household of Alexander Kee in the 1911 
census while James is recorded with his mother Susan in Dergalt, Camus Parish 
in the same census.  While it appears James Jr. and Mary Jane Kee separated, 
they did not as the last 4 are born in Holyhill after 1911.

Thomas Kincaid of Holyhill (in Griffiths) was married to a Mary Ann who died at 
Holyhill on 7 May 1866.  It looks like they had a daughter Lucinda who married 
John Stevenson on 18 October 1866.

Thanks again Len for your help!

Peter


On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Len Swindley 
<len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Peter,

Graveyards checked are Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground (map and inscriptions), 
Patrick Street (Old Camus parish) Graveyard, Strabane (inscriptions and burial 
register), Grange Old Burial Ground, Donagheady Parish (inscriptions and map), 
Old Donagheady Graveyard, Benowen, Donemana (inscriptions) and Old Glendermot 
Graveyard, Glendermot, Co. Londonderry (inscriptions) and there is not a single 
reference to any Kinkaids (or variants).

Referring to the 1863 list of stipend payers for Leckpatrick Presbyterian 
congregation you mention; I looked up my copy (from the Presbyterian Historical 
Society, Belfast) and note that neither William nor James Kincaid actually 
contributed towards the stipend of the minister, Rev. Moses Chambers (their 
names appear only, as opposed to others and their contribution)  Perhaps they 
had left the parish? Neither name is recorded in the list of stipend payers for 
1866.

My apologies for the delay in responding, but work commitments must take 
priority and transcribing records for CTI is ongoing.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Pete

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

[Peter Kincaid]

Thank you very much Len for the lookups.  Hard bunch to crack.  One
actually went to Australia and great grandsons were living in Melbourne in
the 1950s.

William Kincaid Sr. died in Silverhill in 1864.  Who knows where he is
buried then.  I have not yet located his son William, but he probably went
to Manitoba, Canada where his wife, Nancy McFarlane, had family.

I have no idea what became of John Kincaid and Sarah Kincaid who were in
Ballee in the Griffiths Valuation.

There seems to have been two James Kincaids.  The first James was the
father of David Kincaid (born c1829 Dec 1904) of Holyhill who married Ann
Jane Sharkey (1834-Oct 1996) and went to Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
They are buried in Geelong Western Public cemetery.  They had Ann Jane (m.
Frank Richard Smith), Mary Rebecca (m. Richard Walter Smith), John James
Kincaid (1862 - 22 Mar 1889), and David Kincaid.  The latter married
Frances Caroline Logan and later Annie Elisa Batson.  By his first wife he
had Frances Adeline Kincaid who died an infant.  By his second wife he had
William Lambert Kincaid, Annie Louise Kincaid (m. Albert Stanley
Northfield), and Ethelwyn Frances Kincaid (m. Edward Martin Walsh).
William Lambert Kincaid married Constance Marjory Glenister and moved to
Melboune, Australia.  He died in 1951 leaving sons John Holman Kincaid and
William Kincaid.  I lose track of the sons.  Len, since you are also in
Melbourne, if you know anything of the sons John Holman Kincaid and William
Kincaid, please let me know.

The other James Kincaid (c1817-1880) was in Ballee when he married Margaret
Caton on 1857.  She died in 1874 and he was in Keenaghan when he remarried
to Susan (Black) Nixon later that year.  They had Margaret (died young) and
James (born in 1878).  James the father died in 1880 and his widow and son
lived in Holyhill where they are recorded in the 1901 census.  However,
James had married Mary Kee in 1899 and they had Mary Jane, James Alexander
(died an infant), Maggie, and John Augustine/Gustavus, James Thomas, Sarah
Kathleen, Annie Evisena, Fanny Edith, and Anne Martha Elizabeth Kinkaid.
The wife and children appear in Holyhill in the household of Alexander Kee
in the 1911 census while James is recorded with his mother Susan in
Dergalt, Camus Parish in the same census.  While it appears James Jr. and
Mary Jane Kee separated, they did not as the last 4 are born in Holyhill
after 1911.

Thomas Kincaid of Holyhill (in Griffiths) was married to a Mary Ann who
died at Holyhill on 7 May 1866.  It looks like they had a daughter Lucinda
who married John Stevenson on 18 October 1866.

Thanks again Len for your help!

Peter


On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Peter,
>
>
>
> Graveyards checked are Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground (map and
> inscriptions), Patrick Street (Old Camus parish) Graveyard, Strabane
> (inscriptions and burial register), Grange Old Burial Ground, Donagheady
> Parish (inscriptions and map), Old Donagheady Graveyard, Benowen, Donemana
> (inscriptions) and Old Glendermot Graveyard, Glendermot, Co. Londonderry
> (inscriptions) and there is not a single reference to any Kinkaids (or
> variants).
>
>
>
> Referring to the 1863 list of stipend payers for Leckpatrick Presbyterian
> congregation you mention; I looked up my copy (from the Presbyterian
> Historical Society, Belfast) and note that neither William nor James
> Kincaid actually contributed towards the stipend of the minister, Rev.
> Moses Chambers (their names appear only, as opposed to others and their
> contribution)  Perhaps they had left the parish? Neither name is recorded
> in the list of stipend payers for 1866.
>
>
>
> My apologies for the delay in responding, but work commitments must take
> priority and transcribing records for CTI is ongoing.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
> *From:* Peter Kincaid <jwk...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:41:44 PM
> *To:* Len Swindley
> *Cc:* James McKane; CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co.
> Tyrone
>
> Forgive me, but I had asked Len twice if he could check the same sources
> (which I do not have access to) for the Kincaids of Leckpatrick and I am
> not sure if a problem occurred with a reply.  On Feb 27 he asked what
> period these Kincaids lived and I responded with details of them living in
> the mid to latter 1800s.  I then received a message which was simply a
> forwarding of his 1st question.  Did part of a message/response get lost?
>
> Best wishes!
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Len Swindley <len

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

Hello Peter,

Graveyards checked are Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground (map and inscriptions), 
Patrick Street (Old Camus parish) Graveyard, Strabane (inscriptions and burial 
register), Grange Old Burial Ground, Donagheady Parish (inscriptions and map), 
Old Donagheady Graveyard, Benowen, Donemana (inscriptions) and Old Glendermot 
Graveyard, Glendermot, Co. Londonderry (inscriptions) and there is not a single 
reference to any Kinkaids (or variants).

Referring to the 1863 list of stipend payers for Leckpatrick Presbyterian 
congregation you mention; I looked up my copy (from the Presbyterian Historical 
Society, Belfast) and note that neither William nor James Kincaid actually 
contributed towards the stipend of the minister, Rev. Moses Chambers (their 
names appear only, as opposed to others and their contribution)  Perhaps they 
had left the parish? Neither name is recorded in the list of stipend payers for 
1866.

My apologies for the delay in responding, but work commitments must take 
priority and transcribing records for CTI is ongoing.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Peter Kincaid <jwk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:41:44 PM
To: Len Swindley
Cc: James McKane; CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

Forgive me, but I had asked Len twice if he could check the same sources (which 
I do not have access to) for the Kincaids of Leckpatrick and I am not sure if a 
problem occurred with a reply.  On Feb 27 he asked what period these Kincaids 
lived and I responded with details of them living in the mid to latter 1800s.  
I then received a message which was simply a forwarding of his 1st question.  
Did part of a message/response get lost?

Best wishes!

Peter


On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Len Swindley 
<len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Julie,

There are four graveyards within Leckpatrick parish, Strabane, Co. Tyrone; the 
graveyard attached to St. Patrick’s Parish Church (Church of Ireland) which is 
relatively modern, the graveyard attached to Leckpatrick Presbyterian Church, 
Artigarvan, also relatively modern, the RC graveyard belonging to St. Mary’s 
Chapel at Cloghcor and the ancient parish graveyard (Leckpatrick Old Burial 
Ground – now closed) on Victoria Road (corner Leckpatrick and Ballyheather 
Roads). This old place of rest contains many graves, but fewer headstones: the 
earliest recorded is dated 1617.

Referring to the Register of Gravestone Inscriptions in Leckpatrick Old Burial 
Ground, Artigarvan, Strabane – David & Sheelagh Todd (1991) there are no 
Nickle/ Nicholl headstones. So then went to a register compiled from a 
disintegrating map of the graveyard (1877) and again was unable to locate a 
burial place of the Nickles. There is a Henry Nichol recorded on the headstone 
of the Gordon family of Strabane referring to him as “a faithful friend”. In 
1989 the Strabane District Council erected a plaque in memory of the famed 
“Memory Man” Bobby Nicholl (1907-1985). Have also referred to a file of the 451 
legible headstone contained within the old Camus parish Graveyard in Patrick 
Street, Strabane, but again, there is nothing relevant to your forebears.

In the old days, folk had little money to spare for a headstone; however, all 
knew the location of the family burial place! My forebear, Joseph Arbuckle of 
Woodend died 1781 and is buried in Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground (with 
headstone). A relation accompanied me to the grave and mentioned that the two 
unmarked spaces on either side belonged to the (related) Houston family of 
Woodend although this is not recorded on the old map.

It is most likely that the Nickles of Woodend and elsewhere in the parish had a 
burial place in Old Leckpatrick, but it seems almost impossible to locate it. I 
guess you have found my file of Woodend rentals, tithe applotment book and 
Griffith Valuation (1858) on CTI? 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/rental/woodend.html

Hope this all helps?

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: James McKane<mailto:jamck...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2018 10:26 PM
To: Julie Louden<mailto:julesirel...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: CTI Contact Page Query

Sorry I am not great on Ireland's geography. I've bcc'd a guy who may be able 
to help?  Otherwise, please post this query to our Mailing List as someone 
there could no doubt help.

Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Julie Louden 
<julesirel...@gmail.com<mailto:julesirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello

I found your web pages whilst looking into my family history in the area. My gg 
grandfather was Joseph Nickle from Wood

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

[Peter Kincaid]

Forgive me, but I had asked Len twice if he could check the same sources
(which I do not have access to) for the Kincaids of Leckpatrick and I am
not sure if a problem occurred with a reply.  On Feb 27 he asked what
period these Kincaids lived and I responded with details of them living in
the mid to latter 1800s.  I then received a message which was simply a
forwarding of his 1st question.  Did part of a message/response get lost?

Best wishes!

Peter


On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Len Swindley 
wrote:

> Hello Julie,
>
>
>
> There are four graveyards within Leckpatrick parish, Strabane, Co. Tyrone;
> the graveyard attached to St. Patrick’s Parish Church (Church of Ireland)
> which is relatively modern, the graveyard attached to Leckpatrick
> Presbyterian Church, Artigarvan, also relatively modern, the RC graveyard
> belonging to St. Mary’s Chapel at Cloghcor and the ancient parish graveyard
> (Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground – now closed) on Victoria Road (corner
> Leckpatrick and Ballyheather Roads). This old place of rest contains many
> graves, but fewer headstones: the earliest recorded is dated 1617.
>
>
>
> Referring to the Register of Gravestone Inscriptions in Leckpatrick Old
> Burial Ground, Artigarvan, Strabane – David & Sheelagh Todd (1991) there
> are no Nickle/ Nicholl headstones. So then went to a register compiled from
> a disintegrating map of the graveyard (1877) and again was unable to locate
> a burial place of the Nickles. There is a Henry Nichol recorded on the
> headstone of the Gordon family of Strabane referring to him as “a faithful
> friend”. In 1989 the Strabane District Council erected a plaque in memory
> of the famed “Memory Man” Bobby Nicholl (1907-1985). Have also referred to
> a file of the 451 legible headstone contained within the old Camus parish
> Graveyard in Patrick Street, Strabane, but again, there is nothing relevant
> to your forebears.
>
>
>
> In the old days, folk had little money to spare for a headstone; however,
> all knew the location of the family burial place! My forebear, Joseph
> Arbuckle of Woodend died 1781 and is buried in Leckpatrick Old Burial
> Ground (with headstone). A relation accompanied me to the grave and
> mentioned that the two unmarked spaces on either side belonged to the
> (related) Houston family of Woodend although this is not recorded on the
> old map.
>
>
>
> It is most likely that the Nickles of Woodend and elsewhere in the parish
> had a burial place in Old Leckpatrick, but it seems almost impossible to
> locate it. I guess you have found my file of Woodend rentals, tithe
> applotment book and Griffith Valuation (1858) on CTI?
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/rental/woodend.html
>
>
>
> Hope this all helps?
>
>
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *James McKane 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 27 February 2018 10:26 PM
> *To: *Julie Louden 
> *Subject: *Re: CTI Contact Page Query
>
>
>
> Sorry I am not great on Ireland's geography. I've bcc'd a guy who may be
> able to help?  Otherwise, please post this query to our Mailing List as
> someone there could no doubt help.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim McKane
>
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Julie Louden 
> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> I found your web pages whilst looking into my family history in the area.
> My gg grandfather was Joseph Nickle from Woodend. I'm trying to locate his
> grave and have already been to the area and found COI and Pres graveyards
> with no success. However I'm led to believe there's an old graveyard in the
> area. I was wondering if you could give me directions to this if you know
> where it is. My sat nav led me a merry dance last time trying to find the
> other two!
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

Hello Peter,

In what era would these deaths and burials have occurred? The burial grounds of 
Old Leckpatrick, and Patrick Street, Strabane, and were closed in the 1920s

Len Swindley


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From: Peter Kincaid<mailto:jwk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2018 6:50 AM
To: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Cc: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Leckpatrick Parish Graveyards, Co. Tyrone

Len Swindley, would you be so kind as to check the same graveyard sources you 
cite for Kincaids (Kincade, Kinkaid, Kinkead)?  There was a family of Kincaids 
I am sure is connected to mine in lands about Woodend (Ballee, Holyhill, 
Keenaghan/Silverhill & Tullyard).  John & Sarah Kincaid were of Ballee.  James 
and Thomas Kincaid were of Holyhill.  James may have started in Ballee - the 
latter married Margaret Caton and later Susan (Black) Nixon.  Thomas' daughter 
Lucinda married John Stevenson.  William Kincaid married Nancy McFarlane, 
apparently a daughter of Daniel McFarlane of Holyhill.  John Dickson of 
Keenaghan was married to Mary Kincaid.  John Kincaid was married to Elizabeth 
Lindsay, daughter of John Lindsay of Tullyard.  Looks like they attended the 
Presbyterian church at Artigarvan.  I have yet to find any burial information 
on any of these Kincaids so anything you have will greatly help piecing this 
family together.

Best wishes!

Peter


On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Len Swindley 
<len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Julie,

There are four graveyards within Leckpatrick parish, Strabane, Co. Tyrone; the 
graveyard attached to St. Patrick’s Parish Church (Church of Ireland) which is 
relatively modern, the graveyard attached to Leckpatrick Presbyterian Church, 
Artigarvan, also relatively modern, the RC graveyard belonging to St. Mary’s 
Chapel at Cloghcor and the ancient parish graveyard (Leckpatrick Old Burial 
Ground – now closed) on Victoria Road (corner Leckpatrick and Ballyheather 
Roads). This old place of rest contains many graves, but fewer headstones: the 
earliest recorded is dated 1617.

Referring to the Register of Gravestone Inscriptions in Leckpatrick Old Burial 
Ground, Artigarvan, Strabane – David & Sheelagh Todd (1991) there are no 
Nickle/ Nicholl headstones. So then went to a register compiled from a 
disintegrating map of the graveyard (1877) and again was unable to locate a 
burial place of the Nickles. There is a Henry Nichol recorded on the headstone 
of the Gordon family of Strabane referring to him as “a faithful friend”. In 
1989 the Strabane District Council erected a plaque in memory of the famed 
“Memory Man” Bobby Nicholl (1907-1985). Have also referred to a file of the 451 
legible headstone contained within the old Camus parish Graveyard in Patrick 
Street, Strabane, but again, there is nothing relevant to your forebears.

In the old days, folk had little money to spare for a headstone; however, all 
knew the location of the family burial place! My forebear, Joseph Arbuckle of 
Woodend died 1781 and is buried in Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground (with 
headstone). A relation accompanied me to the grave and mentioned that the two 
unmarked spaces on either side belonged to the (related) Houston family of 
Woodend although this is not recorded on the old map.

It is most likely that the Nickles of Woodend and elsewhere in the parish had a 
burial place in Old Leckpatrick, but it seems almost impossible to locate it. I 
guess you have found my file of Woodend rentals, tithe applotment book and 
Griffith Valuation (1858) on CTI? 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/rental/woodend.html

Hope this all helps?

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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