Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors
Much help.. Thank you so much.. From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 4:20 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors Nancy, James will says that he had a farm in Ballee (which he left to his 2 sisters). Looking at the Valuation revision records for Ballee, I see 2 Porter farms there. Plot 16 was James senior and consisted of 28 acres, 1 rood & 25 perches. It was rented from the Abercorn estate. The tenant changes to Jane in 1889, James in 1901 and reps of James in 1908 (ie he had died). The farm was purchased under the Land Act in 1906 (ie with a government mortgage). Adjacent on plot 17 was James Porter junior with an almost identical 28 acres 2 roods & 25 perches. It changes to Margaret in 1889, then to John Stevenson in 1890. In addition John senior & John junior had a quarter share of some common land on plot 20. Senior & junior in Griffiths usually indicates father & son. Presumably this is John junior in 1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballymagorry/Ballee/1753244/ Same household in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Ballymagorry/Ballee/849631/ Those 2 farms today are on the Ballee Rd and the Towncastle Rd. Some references in PRONI in the Abercorn Estate papers: D623/A/127/32 21.8.1814: John McCrea's farm at Ballymagorry sold for £620 to James Porter of Ballee, a most respectable industrious young man. D623/B/12/13 31 January 1835 Marquess of Abercorn, to John Porter, Ballee, Co. Tyrone. Lease for one life or 21 years of 40a.0r.31p. Statute measure of land at Ballee. Rent £20.19.9. Covenants with all rights, members, privileges and appurtenances belonging or appertaining. D623/B/13/108 10 March 1862 John Porter, Ballee, Co. Tyrone, to Robert McCleery, Ballee. Conveyance of 69a.2r.1p. of farmland at Ballee. Consideration £200. Hope this is of interest. Elwyn On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList wrote: Did your Mary Margaret (Porter) Gibson return to County Tyrone? I see the following abstract for a Margaret Porter in Ballee: Title : Mrs Date of Death : 11 November 1927 Surname : Gibson Date of Grant : 19 November 1956 Forename : Margaret Reseal Date : Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £25 0s 0d No Image Full Abstract : Gibson Margaret of Ballee Strabane county Tyrone widow died 11 November 1927 Probate Londonderry 19 November to Robert John Gibson farmer. Effects £25. If not her, then likely a relative. Kincaids were in Ballee townland as well. There was a Kincaid-Porter union in the mid 1800s in Londonderry: On 25 November 1862, Andrew Kinkaid, a full age bachelor farmer of Dundrain, son of John Kinkaid, farmer, was married to Jane Porter, a 20 year old spinster of Elagh, daughter of Andrew Porter, farmer at Ballyarnet Parish Church, Templemore Parish, County Londonderry to the form and discipline of the Presbyterian Church by license by Robert McCreery. The witnesses were William Robinson and George Adair [Ireland. Civil Registrations of Marriages. Londonderry, 1862, vol. 7, p. 261, no. 47; LDS film no. 101438]. While in the Glasgow area, this Kincaid family hailed from Ireland and I suspect them to be from Donagheady Parish (Maghereagh and Drummeny connections). I thought I'd add it here in case the name fit with some of yours. The Statutory Death Registers records the death of Margaret Porter "suddenly in Alexander Kincaid's house Levern Bank, Neilston" on 5 August 1880 at Levern Bank, Neilston, being a 60 year old daughter of the deceased William Kincaid, miller, and the deceased Janet Ferrie and spouse of 1) George Porter, shoemaker, and 2) Joseph Porter, shoemaker. Her sister Jean Kincaid was present at her death [GROS, Neilston District, Renfrew County, 572/01 0069. p. 23, no. 69]. Peter Kincaid On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Nancy via CoTyroneList wrote: My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 letters
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors
Thanks for the info...maybe I can make a connection. No Mary Gibson never returned to Ireland..She died in Round Rock, Simpson County, Kentucky. Her Husband John died in Andersonville , Ga. in1865 prisoner in civil war. Margaret and Rebecca and James never married. but had a lot of land leases. And for as I know still lived in Strabane. James died in 1884 has a will , Rebecca died in 1893 has a will , Margaret died in 1894 has a will. From: Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:43 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Peter Kincaid Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors Did your Mary Margaret (Porter) Gibson return to County Tyrone? I see the following abstract for a Margaret Porter in Ballee: Title : Mrs Date of Death : 11 November 1927 Surname : Gibson Date of Grant : 19 November 1956 Forename : Margaret Reseal Date : Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £25 0s 0d No Image Full Abstract : Gibson Margaret of Ballee Strabane county Tyrone widow died 11 November 1927 Probate Londonderry 19 November to Robert John Gibson farmer. Effects £25. If not her, then likely a relative. Kincaids were in Ballee townland as well. There was a Kincaid-Porter union in the mid 1800s in Londonderry: On 25 November 1862, Andrew Kinkaid, a full age bachelor farmer of Dundrain, son of John Kinkaid, farmer, was married to Jane Porter, a 20 year old spinster of Elagh, daughter of Andrew Porter, farmer at Ballyarnet Parish Church, Templemore Parish, County Londonderry to the form and discipline of the Presbyterian Church by license by Robert McCreery. The witnesses were William Robinson and George Adair [Ireland. Civil Registrations of Marriages. Londonderry, 1862, vol. 7, p. 261, no. 47; LDS film no. 101438]. While in the Glasgow area, this Kincaid family hailed from Ireland and I suspect them to be from Donagheady Parish (Maghereagh and Drummeny connections). I thought I'd add it here in case the name fit with some of yours. The Statutory Death Registers records the death of Margaret Porter "suddenly in Alexander Kincaid's house Levern Bank, Neilston" on 5 August 1880 at Levern Bank, Neilston, being a 60 year old daughter of the deceased William Kincaid, miller, and the deceased Janet Ferrie and spouse of 1) George Porter, shoemaker, and 2) Joseph Porter, shoemaker. Her sister Jean Kincaid was present at her death [GROS, Neilston District, Renfrew County, 572/01 0069. p. 23, no. 69]. Peter Kincaid On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Nancy via CoTyroneList wrote: My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 letters from Kentucky and and 1 letter from Rebekah’s son (this is not the same Rebecca ,her sister) Could Sarah be John’s mother.??? I sure hope someone can help me..I sure would appreciate it. Thanks , Nancy ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com -- Best wishes! Peter Kincaid ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors
Nancy, James will says that he had a farm in Ballee (which he left to his 2 sisters). Looking at the Valuation revision records for Ballee, I see 2 Porter farms there. Plot 16 was James senior and consisted of 28 acres, 1 rood & 25 perches. It was rented from the Abercorn estate. The tenant changes to Jane in 1889, James in 1901 and reps of James in 1908 (ie he had died). The farm was purchased under the Land Act in 1906 (ie with a government mortgage). Adjacent on plot 17 was James Porter junior with an almost identical 28 acres 2 roods & 25 perches. It changes to Margaret in 1889, then to John Stevenson in 1890. In addition John senior & John junior had a quarter share of some common land on plot 20. Senior & junior in Griffiths usually indicates father & son. Presumably this is John junior in 1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballymagorry/Ballee/1753244/ Same household in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Ballymagorry/Ballee/849631/ Those 2 farms today are on the Ballee Rd and the Towncastle Rd. Some references in PRONI in the Abercorn Estate papers: D623/A/127/32 21.8.1814: John McCrea's farm at Ballymagorry sold for £620 to James *Porter* of *Ballee*, a most respectable industrious young man. D623/B/12/13 31 January 1835 Marquess of Abercorn, to John *Porter*, *Ballee*, Co. Tyrone. Lease for one life or 21 years of 40a.0r.31p. Statute measure of land at *Ballee*. Rent £20.19.9. Covenants with all rights, members, privileges and appurtenances belonging or appertaining. D623/B/13/108 10 March 1862 John *Porter*, *Ballee*, Co. Tyrone, to Robert McCleery, *Ballee. *Conveyance of 69a.2r.1p. of farmland at *Ballee*. Consideration £200. Hope this is of interest. Elwyn On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 2:43 AM, Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Did your Mary Margaret (Porter) Gibson return to County Tyrone? I see the > following abstract for a Margaret Porter in Ballee: > > Title : Mrs Date of Death : 11 November 1927 > Surname : Gibson Date of Grant : 19 November 1956 > Forename : Margaret Reseal Date : > Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £25 0s 0d > No Image > Full Abstract : > Gibson Margaret of Ballee Strabane county Tyrone widow died 11 November > 1927 Probate Londonderry 19 November to Robert John Gibson farmer. Effects > £25. > > If not her, then likely a relative. > > Kincaids were in Ballee townland as well. There was a Kincaid-Porter > union in the mid 1800s in Londonderry: > > On 25 November 1862, Andrew Kinkaid, a full age bachelor farmer of > Dundrain, son of John Kinkaid, farmer, was married to Jane Porter, a 20 > year old spinster of Elagh, daughter of Andrew Porter, farmer at Ballyarnet > Parish Church, Templemore Parish, County Londonderry to the form and > discipline of the Presbyterian Church by license by Robert McCreery. The > witnesses were William Robinson and George Adair [Ireland. Civil > Registrations of Marriages. Londonderry, 1862, vol. 7, p. 261, no. 47; LDS > film no. 101438]. > > While in the Glasgow area, this Kincaid family hailed from Ireland and I > suspect them to be from Donagheady Parish (Maghereagh and Drummeny > connections). I thought I'd add it here in case the name fit with some of > yours. > > The Statutory Death Registers records the death of Margaret Porter > "suddenly in Alexander Kincaid's house Levern Bank, Neilston" on 5 August > 1880 at Levern Bank, Neilston, being a 60 year old daughter of the deceased > William Kincaid, miller, and the deceased Janet Ferrie and spouse of 1) > George Porter, shoemaker, and 2) Joseph Porter, shoemaker. Her sister Jean > Kincaid was present at her death [GROS, Neilston District, Renfrew County, > 572/01 0069. p. 23, no. 69]. > > Peter Kincaid > > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Nancy via CoTyroneList < > cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > >> My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County >> Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady >> Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary >> Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find >> out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter >> (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and >> sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but >> can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or >> John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The >> letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir >> John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their >> neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 >> letters from Kentucky and and 1 letter from Rebekah’s son (this is not the >> same Rebecca ,her sister) Could Sarah be John’s mother.??? I
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors
Did your Mary Margaret (Porter) Gibson return to County Tyrone? I see the following abstract for a Margaret Porter in Ballee: Title : Mrs Date of Death : 11 November 1927 Surname : Gibson Date of Grant : 19 November 1956 Forename : Margaret Reseal Date : Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £25 0s 0d No Image Full Abstract : Gibson Margaret of Ballee Strabane county Tyrone widow died 11 November 1927 Probate Londonderry 19 November to Robert John Gibson farmer. Effects £25. If not her, then likely a relative. Kincaids were in Ballee townland as well. There was a Kincaid-Porter union in the mid 1800s in Londonderry: On 25 November 1862, Andrew Kinkaid, a full age bachelor farmer of Dundrain, son of John Kinkaid, farmer, was married to Jane Porter, a 20 year old spinster of Elagh, daughter of Andrew Porter, farmer at Ballyarnet Parish Church, Templemore Parish, County Londonderry to the form and discipline of the Presbyterian Church by license by Robert McCreery. The witnesses were William Robinson and George Adair [Ireland. Civil Registrations of Marriages. Londonderry, 1862, vol. 7, p. 261, no. 47; LDS film no. 101438]. While in the Glasgow area, this Kincaid family hailed from Ireland and I suspect them to be from Donagheady Parish (Maghereagh and Drummeny connections). I thought I'd add it here in case the name fit with some of yours. The Statutory Death Registers records the death of Margaret Porter "suddenly in Alexander Kincaid's house Levern Bank, Neilston" on 5 August 1880 at Levern Bank, Neilston, being a 60 year old daughter of the deceased William Kincaid, miller, and the deceased Janet Ferrie and spouse of 1) George Porter, shoemaker, and 2) Joseph Porter, shoemaker. Her sister Jean Kincaid was present at her death [GROS, Neilston District, Renfrew County, 572/01 0069. p. 23, no. 69]. Peter Kincaid On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Nancy via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County > Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady > Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary > Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find > out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter > (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and > sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but > can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or > John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The > letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir > John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their > neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 > letters from Kentucky and and 1 letter from Rebekah’s son (this is not the > same Rebecca ,her sister) Could Sarah be John’s mother.??? I sure hope > someone can help me..I sure would appreciate it. Thanks , Nancy > > > > > > > > > ___ > CoTyroneList mailing list > CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ > cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > > -- Best wishes! Peter Kincaid ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
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I would love to see a scan or good transcription of these letters. Lot of common names with my research. Ballee is a townland in nearby Leckpatrick parish but Todd is a Donagheady Parish townland. Peter Kincaid On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Nancy via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County > Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady > Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary > Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find > out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter > (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and > sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but > can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or > John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The > letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir > John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their > neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 > letters from Kentucky and and 1 letter from Rebekah’s son (this is not the > same Rebecca ,her sister) Could Sarah be John’s mother.??? I sure hope > someone can help me..I sure would appreciate it. Thanks , Nancy > > > > > > > > > ___ > CoTyroneList mailing list > CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ > cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > > -- Best wishes! Peter Kincaid ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
[CoTyroneMailingList] Gibson Ancestors
My great-great-grandfather John Thomas Gibson was born in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland (Strabane) in 1802. He attended Donagheady Presbyterian Church. he came to America in 1830 with his wife Mary Margaret Porter. They settled in Franklin , Kentucky. I’m trying to find out who his parents were . The family received letters from Margaret Porter (Mary’s Aunt) 1816-1894 she mentions her Brother James Porter 1800-1884 and sister Rebecca 1806-1893.(the 3 never married) I can find their wills but can’t find anything in a census where they lived with Mary Margaret or John’s parents. The siblings had some kind of land they leased out . The letters were written in 1833. She mentions Aunt Holmes..Thomas Boyd, Sir John and Carol out of Mayors office and Humphreys is in. Mentions their neighbors in Ballee Todd. In 1886 she mentions a Sarah Gibson getting 2 letters from Kentucky and and 1 letter from Rebekah’s son (this is not the same Rebecca ,her sister) Could Sarah be John’s mother.??? I sure hope someone can help me..I sure would appreciate it. Thanks , Nancy ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
