Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

2020-06-15 Thread Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList 
It is a pleasure Len - thanks for all you do for the Tyrone website and forum. 
You remind me of Bill Macafee in your dedication and love for all things local 
history and genealogy.

I tried to remember where I got the information of the Morrisons of Clagan 
being at the siege of Derry - it was actually from a book available online 
--'The history of the Alison, or Allison family in Europe and America, A.D. 
1135 to 1893; giving an account of the family in Scotland, England, Ireland, 
Australia, Canada, and the United States'..Published 1893 and written by 
Leonard Allison Morrison -

Contains a family history of the Allisons of Drumnaha, Magilligan and allied 
families - it seems from the book that these Allisons were connected to 
Morrisons of Clagan.

https://archive.org/details/historyofalisono00morr/page/306/mode/2up?q=dromore

This family history was published before the destruction of the Public Records 
Office in the fire and explosion of 1922 and contains information that was lost 
in that tragic event. It is also a reminder that much can be found using the 
correct research strategies.

Bobby

From: Len Swindley 
Sent: 15 June 2020 12:42
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Great information Bobby; many thanks for your insight and the wonderful data: 
it has to be of interest to a researcher. You are the Roe Valley expert. The 
history of the London Companies and the records of their estates is truly 
fascinating.



Referring to the Ordnance Memoirs for Tamlaght Finlagan parish, Co. 
Londonderry, I note that two Morrisons (possibly brothers) from Dromore left 
for Philadelphia in 1834: THOMAS WHITE MORRISON, aged 20 and JOHN WHITE 
MORRISON aged 18, both Presbyterians. This may assist a researcher?



Regards to all,

Len



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From: Robert Forrest
Sent: Monday, 15 June 2020 9:11 PM
To: Len Swindley; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing 
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Subject: Re: Senior and Junior



Hi Len,



That is possible - McCleland's Haberdashers' estate was mostly east of the 
River Roe and covered primarily Balteagh & Aghanloo parishes -- most of the 
settlers on the McCleland estate were Scottish (but he did allow a lot of Irish 
tenants to remain). McCleland also had control of the Clothworkers' estate in 
the Dunboe/Coleraine area. The Haberdashers' and Clothworkers' estate 
effectively acted as a bridgehead for the entry of Scots into the baronies of 
Coleraine & Keenaght and this explains the presence of Presbyterians in this 
region from the early 17th century. In contrast the newtown of Limavady built 
by the English servitor Sir Thomas Phillips (who had Welsh ancestry) was mainly 
English as Phillips brought over a few dozen English families after 1610. 
Phillips' also had a large estate (primarily in the parishes of Drumachose & 
Tamlaght Finlagan) in the area - a mixture of Scottish and English settlers and 
much to his annoyance Phillips had to keep some Irish tenants in the early 
years of the plantation.



There was a James Morison in the 1642 muster roll under Capt Beresford (the 
Beresfords would take over much of McCleland's estate) so this James Morrison 
is the earliest definitive Morrison in the Roe valley region.



Robert Morrison was in Clagan, Tamlaght Finlagan parish (Ballykelly) in the 
1662 subsidy roll & 1663 hearth roll and a Hugh Morrison was in Ballykeen in 
the 1663 hearth returns - these names Robert & Hugh would be passed down to the 
Morrison families in Dromore & Clagan down through the centuries --



Reputedly Robert Morrison of Clagan (or probably a son) was one of the 13 who 
shut the gates at the siege of Derry and it is interesting to note that 
Sherrards were neighbours of the Morrisons of Dromore/Clagan and that there 
were 2 Sherrards also listed as apprentice boys who shut the gates). But this 
oral tradition would be hard to prove.



The plantation period is very interesting.



Bobby



From: Len Swindley 
Sent: 15 June 2020 10:31
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Subject: RE: Senior and Junior



Good to hear from you Bobby.



There is a JOHN MARSON recorded in the c1630 muster roll Co Londonderry on Sir 
Robert Macclelan’s estate  [Haberdashers’ Company] Ballykelly, Tamlaght 
Finlagan parish; would he be of the original Plantation family of Morrisons? 
Another possible example of phonetic spelling?



All the best,

Len







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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

2020-06-15 Thread Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList 
Many thanks for this!!

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 9:36 AM Robert Forrest, 
wrote:

> Hi Elizabeth,
> One good place to start is Bill Macafee's excellent website on Antrim &
> L'Derry local history and genealogy. There is an incredible amount of
> material to mine as he has multiple data-bases - in addition he provides
> contextual detail on all of the sources he provides on his website. I had
> the pleasure of working with Bill on his Co Derry/Londonderry CD and he is
> really a mine of information. His enthusiasm for local history is second to
> none.
>
> http://www.billmacafee.com/
>
> I recommend this as one of the best sites for information for this region
> anywhere on the internet.
>
> Kindest Regards
> Bobby
>
> --
> *From:* Elizabeth Vervaeke 
> *Sent:* 15 June 2020 12:18
> *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> *Cc:* Robert Forrest 
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior
>
> Is there a way for folks overseas ( Canada) to research these records? I
> alternatively new  to researching records beyond Ancestry and local
> historical archives.
> Thank you for the tremendous resources you have made available to so many!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Elizabeth Cunningham- Vervaeke
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 8:03 AM Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList, <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> A tip for those researching their family history:
>
> Senior and Junior usually denotes father and son but not always --
> sometimes junior can refer to a nephew:
>
> An example of this I found recently in the Registry of Deeds
>
> Book 350 page 435 memorial number 237290 registered 11 July 1783
> A memorial of a deed poll dated 13 Jan 1783 between Robert Morrison senior
> of Drummore (Ballykelly, Co L'Derry) and Robert Morrison of Drummore junior
> his nephew.
>
> Family tradition says that the Robert Morrison one of the 13 to shut the
> gates at the famous siege of Derry was from this family (oral tradition).
>
> The Registry of Deeds is perhaps the only archive in Ireland to escape
> unscathed over the years and the records are intact from 1708. A must for
> eighteenth century research.
>
>
> https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Your-family-tree-series-information-leaflet-17-Registry-of-Deeds-Dublin.pdf
>
> Kindest regards
> Bobby Forrest
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

2020-06-15 Thread Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList 
Hi Elizabeth,
One good place to start is Bill Macafee's excellent website on Antrim & L'Derry 
local history and genealogy. There is an incredible amount of material to mine 
as he has multiple data-bases - in addition he provides contextual detail on 
all of the sources he provides on his website. I had the pleasure of working 
with Bill on his Co Derry/Londonderry CD and he is really a mine of 
information. His enthusiasm for local history is second to none.

http://www.billmacafee.com/

I recommend this as one of the best sites for information for this region 
anywhere on the internet.

Kindest Regards
Bobby


From: Elizabeth Vervaeke 
Sent: 15 June 2020 12:18
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
Cc: Robert Forrest 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

Is there a way for folks overseas ( Canada) to research these records? I 
alternatively new  to researching records beyond Ancestry and local historical 
archives.
Thank you for the tremendous resources you have made available to so many!

Kind Regards

Elizabeth Cunningham- Vervaeke

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 8:03 AM Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList, 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
A tip for those researching their family history:

Senior and Junior usually denotes father and son but not always -- sometimes 
junior can refer to a nephew:

An example of this I found recently in the Registry of Deeds

Book 350 page 435 memorial number 237290 registered 11 July 1783
A memorial of a deed poll dated 13 Jan 1783 between Robert Morrison senior of 
Drummore (Ballykelly, Co L'Derry) and Robert Morrison of Drummore junior his 
nephew.

Family tradition says that the Robert Morrison one of the 13 to shut the gates 
at the famous siege of Derry was from this family (oral tradition).

The Registry of Deeds is perhaps the only archive in Ireland to escape 
unscathed over the years and the records are intact from 1708. A must for 
eighteenth century research.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Your-family-tree-series-information-leaflet-17-Registry-of-Deeds-Dublin.pdf

Kindest regards
Bobby Forrest

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

2020-06-15 Thread Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList 
Hi Len,

That is possible - McCleland's Haberdashers' estate was mostly east of the 
River Roe and covered primarily Balteagh & Aghanloo parishes -- most of the 
settlers on the McCleland estate were Scottish (but he did allow a lot of Irish 
tenants to remain). McCleland also had control of the Clothworkers' estate in 
the Dunboe/Coleraine area. The Haberdashers' and Clothworkers' estate 
effectively acted as a bridgehead for the entry of Scots into the baronies of 
Coleraine & Keenaght and this explains the presence of Presbyterians in this 
region from the early 17th century. In contrast the newtown of Limavady built 
by the English servitor Sir Thomas Phillips (who had Welsh ancestry) was mainly 
English as Phillips brought over a few dozen English families after 1610. 
Phillips' also had a large estate (primarily in the parishes of Drumachose & 
Tamlaght Finlagan) in the area - a mixture of Scottish and English settlers and 
much to his annoyance Phillips had to keep some Irish tenants in the early 
years of the plantation.

There was a James Morison in the 1642 muster roll under Capt Beresford (the 
Beresfords would take over much of McCleland's estate) so this James Morrison 
is the earliest definitive Morrison in the Roe valley region.

Robert Morrison was in Clagan, Tamlaght Finlagan parish (Ballykelly) in the 
1662 subsidy roll & 1663 hearth roll and a Hugh Morrison was in Ballykeen in 
the 1663 hearth returns - these names Robert & Hugh would be passed down to the 
Morrison families in Dromore & Clagan down through the centuries --

Reputedly Robert Morrison of Clagan (or probably a son) was one of the 13 who 
shut the gates at the siege of Derry and it is interesting to note that 
Sherrards were neighbours of the Morrisons of Dromore/Clagan and that there 
were 2 Sherrards also listed as apprentice boys who shut the gates). But this 
oral tradition would be hard to prove.

The plantation period is very interesting.

Bobby

From: Len Swindley 
Sent: 15 June 2020 10:31
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Cc: Robert Forrest 
Subject: RE: Senior and Junior


Good to hear from you Bobby.



There is a JOHN MARSON recorded in the c1630 muster roll Co Londonderry on Sir 
Robert Macclelan’s estate  [Haberdashers’ Company] Ballykelly, Tamlaght 
Finlagan parish; would he be of the original Plantation family of Morrisons? 
Another possible example of phonetic spelling?



All the best,

Len







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From: Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 9:03 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Robert Forrest
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior



A tip for those researching their family history:

Senior and Junior usually denotes father and son but not always -- sometimes 
junior can refer to a nephew:

An example of this I found recently in the Registry of Deeds

Book 350 page 435 memorial number 237290 registered 11 July 1783
A memorial of a deed poll dated 13 Jan 1783 between Robert Morrison senior of 
Drummore (Ballykelly, Co L'Derry) and Robert Morrison of Drummore junior his 
nephew.

Family tradition says that the Robert Morrison one of the 13 to shut the gates 
at the famous siege of Derry was from this family (oral tradition).

The Registry of Deeds is perhaps the only archive in Ireland to escape 
unscathed over the years and the records are intact from 1708. A must for 
eighteenth century research.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Your-family-tree-series-information-leaflet-17-Registry-of-Deeds-Dublin.pdf

Kindest regards
Bobby Forrest

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

2020-06-15 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
Good to hear from you Bobby.

There is a JOHN MARSON recorded in the c1630 muster roll Co Londonderry on Sir 
Robert Macclelan’s estate  [Haberdashers’ Company] Ballykelly, Tamlaght 
Finlagan parish; would he be of the original Plantation family of Morrisons? 
Another possible example of phonetic spelling?

All the best,
Len



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From: Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 9:03 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Robert Forrest
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

A tip for those researching their family history:

Senior and Junior usually denotes father and son but not always -- sometimes 
junior can refer to a nephew:

An example of this I found recently in the Registry of Deeds

Book 350 page 435 memorial number 237290 registered 11 July 1783
A memorial of a deed poll dated 13 Jan 1783 between Robert Morrison senior of 
Drummore (Ballykelly, Co L'Derry) and Robert Morrison of Drummore junior his 
nephew.

Family tradition says that the Robert Morrison one of the 13 to shut the gates 
at the famous siege of Derry was from this family (oral tradition).

The Registry of Deeds is perhaps the only archive in Ireland to escape 
unscathed over the years and the records are intact from 1708. A must for 
eighteenth century research.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Your-family-tree-series-information-leaflet-17-Registry-of-Deeds-Dublin.pdf

Kindest regards
Bobby Forrest

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