Re: [courier-users] 456 Address temporarily unavailable and aliases

2016-04-14 Thread Sam Varshavchik 

Jeff Potter writes:


Hi List,


What is the expected behavior for incoming email, when:
1) The address is an alias, say, f...@domain.com,  
that expands to two local users, user- 
a...@domain.com and use...@domain.com

2) use...@domain.com’s account is over-quota


What we’re seeing is a "456 Address temporarily unavailable” message to mail  
coming into the alias, meaning user-b doesn’t get the email, even though  
there account isn’t over quota.


The whole point of backscatter suppression is to prevent the mail queue from  
getting clogged up with mail to a nondeliverable recipient.


There's only one recipient address here, the alias address, and that's the  
only address that can be suppressed.


Extrapolate this to the condition where  
“f...@domain.com” is actually an alias for a few  
dozen people, and where on any given day one of them happens to be over- 
quota: it causes the entire alias to essentially constantly fail for  
everyone.


This means that aliases should either not include unreliable mail  
recipients, or backscatter suppression should be turned off (with all the  
repercussions that brings) in the bofh file:


opt BOFHSUPPRESSBACKSCATTER=none





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Re: [courier-users] Soft quotas for Maildir++?

2016-04-14 Thread Sam Varshavchik 

Jeff Potter writes:



Is there a way to create soft quotas with a grace period for quota limits on  
a maildir?


We’re seeing too many cases of users coming up against their quotas where  
we’d like them to be able to go over for some period of time, before  
enforcing. As for “why not just set the quota larger?”, we want the quota  
warnings and email clients that display quota status to show the expected  
usage to based on the true hard quota.


The only available option is to deliver a warning message, when the mailbox  
reaches a certain percentage of the quota; the -w parameter to deliverquota,  
the -q parameter to maildirmake.





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[courier-users] 456 Address temporarily unavailable and aliases

2016-04-14 Thread Jeff Potter 

Hi List,

What is the expected behavior for incoming email, when:
1) The address is an alias, say, f...@domain.com 
, that expands to two local users, use...@domain.com 
 and use...@domain.com 
2) use...@domain.com’s account is over-quota

What we’re seeing is a "456 Address temporarily unavailable” message to mail 
coming into the alias, meaning user-b doesn’t get the email, even though there 
account isn’t over quota.

Extrapolate this to the condition where “f...@domain.com 
” is actually an alias for a few dozen people, and 
where on any given day one of them happens to be over-quota: it causes the 
entire alias to essentially constantly fail for everyone.

Is there a way around this, while still using aliases? Or would it be better to 
implement it as a .courier file (although that would be rather annoying for 
other reasons).

Thanks,
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Re: [courier-users] ./configure option to install sendmail in /usr/sbin

2016-04-14 Thread Gordon Messmer 
On 04/14/2016 02:38 AM, cour...@rcdrun.com wrote:
> only that does not install sendmail in /usr/sbin where most other
> software expects it to be.

On rpm based systems, the "alternatives" tool will be used to put 
several links where they're expected:

/usr/sbin/alternatives --install /usr/sbin/sendmail mta 
/usr/lib/courier/bin/sendmail 91 \
--slave /usr/bin/mailq mta-mailq /usr/lib/courier/bin/mailq \
--slave /usr/bin/rmail mta-rmail /usr/lib/courier/bin/rmail \
--slave /usr/bin/newaliases mta-newaliases 
/usr/lib/courier/sbin/makealiases


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Re: [courier-users] Best practice for SMTP level spam filter

2016-04-14 Thread Bernd Wurst 
Thank you all for the answers.

To clarify: Bouncing spam would be an option, technically, but we do not
do that. For sure.

I do have some experience with a custom localmailfilter but my question
was if there's something ready to use laying around that I could not
find. Seems like my use case is too special, so i'll write a custom
localmailfilter.




Am 10.04.2016 um 06:19 schrieb Bernd Wurst:
> Hello.
> 
> We use courier mail server for a long time now but we miss one thing in
> our current setup and this is a spam filter on SMTP level (so that spam
> mails get instantly rejected instead of deleted or bounced).
> 
> We use delivery by .courier files for both, local user accounts /
> aliases and virtualdomains. Spam filtering happens with some custom
> scripts inside the .courier files and therefore only deletion, sorting
> or bouncing is available.
> 
> We need to give users a choice about spam filtering, so the filter must
> have some "don't scan for these recipients" list. If the filter could
> use custom spamassassin config and bayes-DB, this would be great but
> it'll also work without that.
> 
> I suppose that for my config needs I'd better write my own courier
> filter but if someone has some best practice idea about anything
> existing, I would be glad to hear about.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bernd
> 
> 
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Re: [courier-users] Soft quotas for Maildir++?

2016-04-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
On 14.04.16 11:03, Jeff Potter wrote:
>Is there a way to create soft quotas with a grace period for quota limits
> on a maildir?

not (yet)

>We’re seeing too many cases of users coming up against their quotas where
> we’d like them to be able to go over for some period of time, before
> enforcing.  As for “why not just set the quota larger?”, we want the quota
> warnings and email clients that display quota status to show the expected
> usage to based on the true hard quota.

maildrop currently supports hard quota and warning limit. they should be
enough in most cases...
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[courier-users] Soft quotas for Maildir++?

2016-04-14 Thread Jeff Potter 

Is there a way to create soft quotas with a grace period for quota limits on a 
maildir?

We’re seeing too many cases of users coming up against their quotas where we’d 
like them to be able to go over for some period of time, before enforcing. As 
for “why not just set the quota larger?”, we want the quota warnings and email 
clients that display quota status to show the expected usage to based on the 
true hard quota.

-Jeff
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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
i consultign and finally i got the problem.. i have 3 DNS in resolv.conf
 one of them are faild, the firts..

thanks in advance i now nknow the problem..  of course dns looks good
if i not specify , but if i take one in particular got the problematic
dns..

lavka@vnxpos00:~$ dig @200.31.4.70 mx gmail.com

; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R1 <<>> @200.31.4.70 mx gmail.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 40942
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gmail.com. IN MX

;; Query time: 17 msec
;; SERVER: 200.31.4.70#53(200.31.4.70)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 14 10:15:23 2016
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 27

lavka@vnxpos00:~$

if i test with the second got good results, that's why get soft error
in some cases

lavka@vnxpos00:~$ dig @200.62.10.15 mx gmail.com

; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R1 <<>> @200.62.10.15 mx gmail.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 16431
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 9

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gmail.com. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
gmail.com. 44 IN MX 30 alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.
gmail.com. 44 IN MX 40 alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.
gmail.com. 44 IN MX 5 gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.
gmail.com. 44 IN MX 10 alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.
gmail.com. 44 IN MX 20 alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
gmail.com. 94338 IN NS ns4.google.com.
gmail.com. 94338 IN NS ns3.google.com.
gmail.com. 94338 IN NS ns1.google.com.
gmail.com. 94338 IN NS ns2.google.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. 88 IN A 74.125.138.27
alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. 88 IN A 74.125.141.26
alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. 88 IN A 64.233.186.27
alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. 81 IN A 74.125.24.27
alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. 81 IN A 108.177.15.26
ns1.google.com. 267139 IN A 216.239.32.10
ns2.google.com. 267139 IN A 216.239.34.10
ns3.google.com. 267139 IN A 216.239.36.10
ns4.google.com. 267139 IN A 216.239.38.10

;; Query time: 45 msec
;; SERVER: 200.62.10.15#53(200.62.10.15)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 14 10:19:27 2016
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 366

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2016-04-14 10:17 GMT-04:30 Matus UHLAR - fantomas :
> On 14.04.16 10:09, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>Subject: Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but
>> testsmxloookup show good
>>
>>lavka@vnxpos00:~$ dig mx gmail.com
>>
>>; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R1 <<>> mx gmail.com
>>;; global options: +cmd
>>;; Got answer:
>>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 34452
>>;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
>>
>>;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>;gmail.com. IN MX
>
> no answer: your DNS is not working.
> get working DNS servers.
>
>
> and you did not answer:
>
>>> what does "dig mx intranet1.net.ve" say?
>
> btw, why does your subject say "testsmxloookup show good", when you get
> "Soft error."?
>
>
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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
On 14.04.16 10:09, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>Subject: Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but
> testsmxloookup show good
>
>lavka@vnxpos00:~$ dig mx gmail.com
>
>; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R1 <<>> mx gmail.com
>;; global options: +cmd
>;; Got answer:
>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 34452
>;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
>
>;; QUESTION SECTION:
>;gmail.com. IN MX

no answer: your DNS is not working.
get working DNS servers.


and you did not answer:

>> what does "dig mx intranet1.net.ve" say?

btw, why does your subject say "testsmxloookup show good", when you get
"Soft error."?



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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
lavka@vnxpos00:~$ dig mx gmail.com

; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R1 <<>> mx gmail.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 34452
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gmail.com. IN MX

;; Query time: 48 msec
;; SERVER: 200.31.4.70#53(200.31.4.70)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 14 10:07:11 2016
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 27

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2016-04-14 10:03 GMT-04:30 Matus UHLAR - fantomas :
> On 14.04.16 08:48, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>>3) if setup new linux box EQUAL AS THE PREVIOUS, got many errors with
>>default, only courier-mta ist installed, from sources compiled
>>standaralone, SAME if used oficial debian packages:
>>vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# testmxlookup intranet1.net.ve
>>Soft error.
>
> what does "dig mx intranet1.net.ve" say?
>
>>Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
>>id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=:
>>DNS lookup failed.
>>Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
>>id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=,status:
>>deferred
>
> what does "dig mx gmail.com" say?
>
> the message looks like DNS problem resolving gmail.com, and when you have
> problem resolving your domain, that looks like DNS error.
>
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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
On 14.04.16 08:48, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>3) if setup new linux box EQUAL AS THE PREVIOUS, got many errors with
>default, only courier-mta ist installed, from sources compiled
>standaralone, SAME if used oficial debian packages:
>vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# testmxlookup intranet1.net.ve
>Soft error.

what does "dig mx intranet1.net.ve" say?

>Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
>id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=:
>DNS lookup failed.
>Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
>id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=,status:
>deferred

what does "dig mx gmail.com" say?

the message looks like DNS problem resolving gmail.com, and when you have
problem resolving your domain, that looks like DNS error.


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Re: [courier-users] ./configure option to install sendmail in /usr/sbin

2016-04-14 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
Sam means that the sendmail program must reside in /usr/sbin follow
some distro specific standar and not in another place like /usr/bin or
/sbin/ or similar..

i have same problem when compiling from sources (around the problem of
DNS that not working)

i got
vnxpos00:/etc/courier# testmxlookup intranet1.net.ve
Soft error.
vnxpos00:/etc/courier#

but i must move manually the sendmail to /usr/sbin due the installer
does not put there the binary

debian put some  binaries in /usr/lib/courier and the user accesible
moved manually to /usr/sbin due installer does not are capable of that
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2016-04-14 6:35 GMT-04:30 Sam Varshavchik :
> cour...@rcdrun.com writes:
>
>> I am unpacking courier from the sources and use this command line:
>>
>>   $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/courier
>>
>> only that does not install sendmail in /usr/sbin where most other
>> software expects it to be.
>>
>> What to do to get sendmail in /usr/sbin?
>
>
> You can use --exec-prefix=/usr/sbin to put all the binaries there.
>
> But I don't know what "most other software" that is. sendmail is not a
> root-only executable. It can be executed by non-root userids just fine.
>
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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
2016-04-14 3:13 GMT-04:30 Matus UHLAR - fantomas :
>
> sendmail command is not smtpd and has different behaviour in some cases.
i mean the provided sendmail command fake by courier, but either using
a mail cliend does not work, see below the complete commands typing
and log

> >i used courier-mta only for send mails not for received
>
> well, it's very hard to say why something did work. Maybe you could revert
> to the previous state and check again? (just joking).
in fact that "revert" was a total reinstall of the linux box, but with
a little change in network, courier crap and got unusable!

i revised every config file, and set to real domain intranet1.net.ve
that are valid over network

1) DNS are working an valid on the internet, my provider are the best
ISP, Level 3 networks, see it, so DNS are not the problems:

vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 200.31.4.70
nameserver 200.62.10.15
nameserver 200.31.4.71
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas#

2) ping and dig that and are working with MX lokuup (no receiving,
only send), receiving are working with and another linux box (that not
change anything either ip address)

vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# host intranet1.net.ve
intranet1.net.ve has address 200.46.191.70
intranet1.net.ve mail is handled by 10 mail.intranet1.net.ve.
intranet1.net.ve mail is handled by 5 mx.intranet1.net.ve.
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas#

3) if setup new linux box EQUAL AS THE PREVIOUS, got many errors with
default, only courier-mta ist installed, from sources compiled
standaralone, SAME if used oficial debian packages:
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# testmxlookup intranet1.net.ve
Soft error.
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas#

2) i execute a mail send command to test
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# echo "lo quie sea 2" | sendmail
mckaygerh...@gmail.com

3) log said that all are not working:
vnxpos00:/home/lavka/Descargas# tail /var/log/mail.info
Apr 14 08:37:20 vnxpos00 courierd: Purging /var/lib/courier/msgq
Apr 14 08:37:20 vnxpos00 courierd: Purging /var/lib/courier/msgs
Apr 14 08:37:20 vnxpos00 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=Thu Apr 14
09:37:20 2016, wakeup time=Thu Apr 14 08:39:00 2016,
queuedelivering=7, inprogress=0
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courierd:
newmsg,id=4247.570F961F.735D: dns; localhost (localhost
[127.0.0.1])
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courierd:
started,id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,module=esmtp,host=gmail.com,addr=
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=none,
wakeup time=Thu Apr 14 08:39:00 2016, queuedelivering=8, inprogress=1
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=:
DNS lookup failed.
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courieresmtp:
id=4247.570F961F.735D,from=,addr=,status:
deferred
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courierd: completed,id=4247.570F961F.735D
Apr 14 08:37:43 vnxpos00 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=Thu Apr 14
09:37:20 2016, wakeup time=Thu Apr 14 08:39:00 2016,
queuedelivering=8, inprogress=0

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Re: [courier-users] ./configure option to install sendmail in /usr/sbin

2016-04-14 Thread Sam Varshavchik 

cour...@rcdrun.com writes:


I am unpacking courier from the sources and use this command line:

  $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/courier

only that does not install sendmail in /usr/sbin where most other
software expects it to be.

What to do to get sendmail in /usr/sbin?


You can use --exec-prefix=/usr/sbin to put all the binaries there.

But I don't know what "most other software" that is. sendmail is not a root- 
only executable. It can be executed by non-root userids just fine.




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[courier-users] ./configure option to install sendmail in /usr/sbin

2016-04-14 Thread courier 
I am unpacking courier from the sources and use this command line:

  $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/courier

only that does not install sendmail in /usr/sbin where most other
software expects it to be.

What to do to get sendmail in /usr/sbin?

Rosario

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Re: [courier-users] What are recommended SPF options

2016-04-14 Thread courier 
Hello,

Thank you Alessandro and Sam for tips. I did not have yet opportunity to
verify it all, but will do.

Rosario

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 08:01:11PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> On Mon 28/Mar/2016 13:28:04 +0200 courier wrote: 
> > 
> > I am interested to know about Courier settings, which I see on the
> > simply web configuration: "Sender Policy Framework".
> 
> For an example, I use this to reject on mailfrom fail unless whitelisted:
> 
> opt BOFHSPFHELO=all
> opt BOFHSPFMAILFROM=allowok,pass,none,neutral,softfail,unknown,error
> opt BOFHSPFFROM=all
> opt BOFHSPFTRUSTME=1
> 
> And then " -allow=list.dnswl.org,DNSWL, " in esmtpd's BLACKLISTS.
> 
> Not all of that can be set using webadmin.
> 
> (Please read https://www.dnswl.org/?page_id=9 if you have more than 100’000
> queries per day.  If you have an rsync'ed local mirror, the above line works 
> as
> long as you override "list.dnswl.org" in the local view.  If you have a local
> mirror but cannot override the list name, you can use:
> 
>-allow=locally-served.mirror-name=list.dnswl.org,DNSWL,
> )
> 
> HTH
> 
> Ale
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Re: [courier-users] to much error DNS lookup failed, but testsmxloookup show good

2016-04-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
>> On 04/13/2016 03:06 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>> > a question, why before was working and then now not? the only change
>> > was a ip change, due are dhcp!

>2016-04-13 18:09 GMT-04:30 Gordon Messmer :
>> I don't know, but I might guess that the IP address that was previously
>> assigned to your host had a PTR record in DNS that contained a fully
>> qualified hostname.  When the system booted, it may have got an address
>> from DHCP, looked up the PTR using DNS, and then set the hostname.
>> That's the standard behavior for Red Hat derived systems.

On 13.04.16 22:00, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>but in firts installation theres no dns or valid domain, only sendmail
>command was used, no configuration only default

sendmail command is not smtpd and has different behaviour in some cases.

>i used courier-mta only for send mails not for received

well, it's very hard to say why something did work. Maybe you could revert
to the previous state and check again? (just joking).
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