Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 05:36:51PM -0700, Karen Etheridge wrote: > > we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list > > for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing > No, that's the value that's in use today in `uname -s` on OSX, as I > showed in my earlier reply. I know. And people call the platform some variation on "OS X", not "Darwin". -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat fdisk format reinstall, doo-dah, doo-dah; fdisk format reinstall, it's the Windows way
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
In that case, makes much more sense to add the footnote and live with that.
Changing $^O would be wrong as it is dependent on the value of something
defined by the OS maintainer.
At least for now it is clear that I need to maintain "darwin" as a OS that
supports Archive-Tar-Wrapper. But others can go into the wrong assumption in
the future.
Em quarta-feira, 27 de março de 2019 21:37:14 BRT, Karen Etheridge
escreveu:
> we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list
> for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing
No, that's the value that's in use today in `uname -s` on OSX, as I
showed in my earlier reply.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:19 PM David Cantrell wrote:
>
> On 2019-03-27 17:31, Karen Etheridge wrote:
> > Alceu,
> > I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS
> > systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed?
>
> He's saying that the CPAN-testers website should say "Mac OS X" instead
> of "Darwin", and ...
>
> >> It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding
> >> Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix.
> > `perldoc perlport` is clear that $Config{archname} and $^O are derived
> > from uname.
>
> It would obviously be silly to change the value of $^O for OS X at this
> stage, but we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list
> for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing. Open
> Darwin barely existed and has been dead for over a decade. I doubt that
> there is a single person actually using any vaguely recent perl on it.
>
> --
> David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive
>
> I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing
> their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
> -- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing on 25 Jan 2004 at
> http://www.arabnews.com/node/243486
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
> we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list
> for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing
No, that's the value that's in use today in `uname -s` on OSX, as I
showed in my earlier reply.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:19 PM David Cantrell wrote:
>
> On 2019-03-27 17:31, Karen Etheridge wrote:
> > Alceu,
> > I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS
> > systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed?
>
> He's saying that the CPAN-testers website should say "Mac OS X" instead
> of "Darwin", and ...
>
> >> It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding
> >> Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix.
> > `perldoc perlport` is clear that $Config{archname} and $^O are derived
> > from uname.
>
> It would obviously be silly to change the value of $^O for OS X at this
> stage, but we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list
> for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing. Open
> Darwin barely existed and has been dead for over a decade. I doubt that
> there is a single person actually using any vaguely recent perl on it.
>
> --
> David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive
>
> I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing
> their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
>-- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing on 25 Jan 2004 at
> http://www.arabnews.com/node/243486
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
On 2019-03-27 17:31, Karen Etheridge wrote:
Alceu,
I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS
systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed?
He's saying that the CPAN-testers website should say "Mac OS X" instead
of "Darwin", and ...
It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding
Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix.
> `perldoc perlport` is clear that $Config{archname} and $^O are derived
> from uname.
It would obviously be silly to change the value of $^O for OS X at this
stage, but we (well, p5p) should probably delete the entry in that list
for Darwin (with a capital D) as it is potentially confusing. Open
Darwin barely existed and has been dead for over a decade. I doubt that
there is a single person actually using any vaguely recent perl on it.
--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive
I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing
their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
-- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing on 25 Jan 2004 at
http://www.arabnews.com/node/243486
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
`perldoc perlport` is clear that $Config{archname} and $^O are derived
from uname.
$ uname -s
Darwin
I think it would be more confusing to make these values inconsistent.
Perhaps cpantesters could add a footnote somewhere letting people know
that 'darwin' means mac os systems for those who aren't aware?
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 1:32 PM Alceu R. de Freitas Jr. via
cpan-testers-discuss wrote:
>
> I mean, the perl gave "darwin", but it should mean "macosx" or something like
> that.
>
> We could suggest (I guess) to change that on the interpreter or to update the
> matrix at matrix.cpantesters.org. I think the later should be easier since
> "darwin" => "macosx" anyway.
>
> Em quarta-feira, 27 de março de 2019 14:31:24 BRT, Karen Etheridge
> escreveu:
>
>
> Alceu,
> I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS
> systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed?
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Alceu R. de Freitas Jr. via
> cpan-testers-discuss wrote:
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I was having a little chat with David
> > (https://github.com/DrHyde/perl-modules-Devel-CheckOS/pull/22#issuecomment-477154904)
> > and looks like I was leaded into the wrong way by the "Darwin" appearing
> > in the CPAN Testers Matrix for a distribution (for example,
> > http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=Archive-Tar-Wrapper+0.34). Shouldn't we
> > change that to MacOSX or something else? I'm not a MacOSX user myself, but
> > it seems I should list it as a acceptable OS for Archite-Tar-Wrapper.
> >
> > It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding
> > Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alceu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
I mean, the perl gave "darwin", but it should mean "macosx" or something like that. We could suggest (I guess) to change that on the interpreter or to update the matrix at matrix.cpantesters.org. I think the later should be easier since "darwin" => "macosx" anyway. Em quarta-feira, 27 de março de 2019 14:31:24 BRT, Karen Etheridge escreveu: Alceu, I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed? On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Alceu R. de Freitas Jr. via cpan-testers-discuss wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I was having a little chat with David > (https://github.com/DrHyde/perl-modules-Devel-CheckOS/pull/22#issuecomment-477154904) > and looks like I was leaded into the wrong way by the "Darwin" appearing in > the CPAN Testers Matrix for a distribution (for example, > http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=Archive-Tar-Wrapper+0.34). Shouldn't we > change that to MacOSX or something else? I'm not a MacOSX user myself, but it > seems I should list it as a acceptable OS for Archite-Tar-Wrapper. > > It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding > Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix. > > Thanks, > > Alceu > > > > > > > > >
Re: time to update the CPAN Testers Matrix?
Alceu, I don't understand what you're asking. `$^O` returns 'darwin' on MacOS systems. Are you suggesting that *that* be changed? On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Alceu R. de Freitas Jr. via cpan-testers-discuss wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I was having a little chat with David > (https://github.com/DrHyde/perl-modules-Devel-CheckOS/pull/22#issuecomment-477154904) > and looks like I was leaded into the wrong way by the "Darwin" appearing in > the CPAN Testers Matrix for a distribution (for example, > http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=Archive-Tar-Wrapper+0.34). Shouldn't we > change that to MacOSX or something else? I'm not a MacOSX user myself, but it > seems I should list it as a acceptable OS for Archite-Tar-Wrapper. > > It seems also that the official documentation should be updated regarding > Darwin/MacOSX as well: https://perldoc.perl.org/perlport.html#Unix. > > Thanks, > > Alceu > > > > > > > > >
