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Seth Finkelstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I *conjecture* the answer is that ideology overrides action.
A few chants of "Free Huey!" (or, here "Free Market!"), often go a long
way. But still, there's a limit, which is usually exceeded the first
time you show up in the witness box. A second
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At 12:29 AM 4/3/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
I would be astounded if anyone who thought they might face a
similar criminal prosecution would ever say a word to me
again.
Then you must have few friends indeed, for as far as I can determine, every
member of the
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At 11:18 PM 4/2/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a
collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan get
flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I want
to imply you should be.
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Tim May wrote:
Which may actually be one of the main reasons he is being called,
actually. What a great way for Big Brother to silence a leading
Cypherpunk-friendly journalist.
At 01:52 AM 4/3/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
I think I'm finally getting the answer to my
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:18:37 -0700
Subject: Seattle cypherpunks group
Matthew,
I'm pulling together a local cypherpunks group in Seattle. If you
know anyone in the area who is interested in issues of cryptography
and privacy,
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/03/160236.shtml
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James Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There used to be a Seattle Cypherpunks list, but I have not seen traffic
on it in years.
I need to get the Portland group going again. Got kind of burned out being
the only one actually doing anything to organize meetings and the like...
(As well as having damn little time.)
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001,
Sorry for the late notice, but I just found out that
the deadline for obtaining free passes has been
extended.
While the website puts the free pass period as ending
a month ago, they are actually still available, but will
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At 11:18 PM 4/2/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a
collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan get
flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I want
to imply you should be. Rather, because
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Declan's motion to avoid testifying was denied, though
Judge Tanner said defense cross-examination would be
limited to his testimony. Declan is testifying this
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Judge Tanner twice warned Jim to not speak out and
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John Young wrote:
Anonymous said the stalking law used against Jim was enacted only a
month before his arrest, and this trial is the first application of
the law.
Your source is unreliable. These are testable assertions, and
every single one of them is false.
1) Jim Bell was arrested
[originally sent to politech]
U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner did not grant our motion to quash the
subpoena, so I took the stand this afternoon.
When I did, I confirmed that I was the author of two Wired News articles
and I said I believed those articles were accurate.
When the prosecution
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Q: Do some ends justify the means? Does doing a lesser evil justified
if it stops a greater evil?
My answer: No, because the 'end' is just another 'means' to a different
end.
One prospective juror (who did not make it on the 12+1 person jury)
said he had heard of cypherpunks.
-Declan
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 04:31:52PM -0800, Blank Frank wrote:
At 05:26 PM 4/3/01 -0400, John Young wrote:
Tacoma 2PM
A party said the first question asked of prospective
jurors
John Young wrote:
Anonymous said the stalking law used against Jim was enacted only a
month before his arrest, and this trial is the first application of
the law.
Further note, I figured out the kernel of truth in the above.
There was an *addition* to interstate stalking law 2261A on
Ah yes... "Land of the Freeh" and all that.
Not that I have any time to set up meetings. Work is a bit more important
these days.
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Why not ask IRS Agent Jeff Gordon to be your guest speaker? The Feds
are certain to have someone in attendance.
It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has
(apparently) recently subscribed to the list. Seth is essentially an
anti-cypherpunk, someone who violently disagrees with free-market points of
view and has spent (a conservative estimate) hundreds of hours arguing
against
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Declan McCullagh is Wired News's
Washington, DC Bureau Chief and is in Washington State testifying at
the Jim Bell trial. Below is a message Declan sent to me concerning
an invitation I sent to Freematt's Alerts and to a few other net
mailing lists about the
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has
(apparently) recently subscribed to the list. Seth is essentially an
anti-cypherpunk, someone who violently disagrees with free-market points of
view and has spent (a
At 09:28 PM 4/3/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Cypherpunks and AP play a key
role of the government's case, with Tim May and Eric Hughes being
mentioned, and this is just Day One.
The anarchist (tm) Black Block of Seattle was a psyop to prime the grand
jury's adrenals.
Channelling JY's
Declan and Jim both seemed to have missed the point about Cypherpunks. I've
attended physical meetings, off and on, since meeting #2 or #3 in the Bay
Area.
I'm not uncomfortable being called--or calling myself--a libertarian, but
one of the first things that the meetings revealed was that we
I didn't miss any point. I simply rebutted a one-sided statement.
I'm a 'democratist' I believe the ONLY way a society will ever survive is
to develop a sense of 'acceptance' and 'tolerance' for alternate views. I
also, in contrast to crypto-anarchist and libertarians, don't believe
'money' or
Jim most certainly did miss my point. I said, in essence, that we are doing
the anti-privacy crowd's a service when we argue among ourselves. Jim's
still arguing left vs. right vs. libertarian vs. whatever. Get with the
program, Jim.
S a n d y
-Original Message-
From: Jim Choate
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 08:03:22PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Declan and Jim both seemed to have missed the point about Cypherpunks. I've
attended physical meetings, off and on, since meeting #2 or #3 in the Bay
Area.
It's a fair point, and I don't think I missed it. In any case,
I don't
Declan is a gentleman and a scholar. Now if only we could get...others to
demonstrate the same sort of wisdom. :-D
S a n d y
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Declan
McCullagh
Sent: 03 April, 2001 21:06
To: Sandy Sandfort
Cc: Jim
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote:
leap up and explain why we don't need no steenking heirarchical key
bindings and why the distributed, anarchic, peer-to-peer model is so
much more compelling.)
Almost right, change that 'anarchic' to 'democratic' and you'll have much
more consistent
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Jim most certainly did miss my point. I said, in essence, that we are doing
the anti-privacy crowd's a service when we argue among ourselves. Jim's
still arguing left vs. right vs. libertarian vs. whatever. Get with the
program, Jim.
No Sandy,
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Declan is a gentleman and a scholar. Now if only we could get...others to
demonstrate the same sort of wisdom. :-D
Translation from spin doctor bullshit into regular english:
I like Declan because he agrees with me.
- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FC: Day #1: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court in Tacoma
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:12:18 -0400
X-URL: http://www.mccullagh.org/
X-URL: Politech is
Jim said,
Well it wasn't important, because it didn't have anything to do with the
core topic of Cypherpunks. Get with the program, Jim.
S a n d y
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
That the populate in general will find a way to resolve the disparities
and problems by simple understanding and toleration.
Has anyone ever done a study - a worthwhile, entertaining, informative,
cautionary study - of rhetoric employed by
Yeah, it was Jude M's nickname for a friend's intellectual-clique.
That sounds accurate to me.
Dr. Evil
Eric Cordian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you imagine what Libertarian foreign policy would look like,
or a Libertarian space program?
Yes, I can; though I'll only answer the second one:
The government of XXX doesn't have a space program. If citizens of XXX want to
explore
space, that's
Thank you.
At 08:32 AM 4/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
Good lord, man, that's amazing. You do realize that you just accurately
summarized in 41 words the losing side of one of the most important
constitutional debates in our nation's history?
It's almost not quite short enough to tempt me to make a
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