Re: [Crm-sig] P90 etc.

2018-03-15 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Conal, All, Your arguments well taken, we are still obliged in formal ontologies to have explicit semantics. The use described by Robert, which fulfills a real need, appears here as "emergent semantics" from the community, which deviates fromthe W3C definition. I argue that this can be

Re: [Crm-sig] Properties of properties in RDF

2018-03-15 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Conal, Got it! Yes, subproperties of P01/P02 create an additional constraint, which obviously must hold. The reasoning that the PC class expands the equivalent property can only be modeled by an OWL rule. For practical data entry, this should be hidden to the user by a tool, which

Re: [Crm-sig] Properties of properties in RDF

2018-03-15 Thread Conal Tuohy
Dear Martin I'm not sure what you meant by "partially declared subproperties" there (the ambiguity of the term "subproperty" in this discussion doesn't help). I think I understood the rest of what you were saying, though. To be clear, all I was saying was that I would prefer not to publish RDF

Re: [Crm-sig] Properties of properties in RDF

2018-03-15 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Conal, There is no conflict with adding subproperties. Once we have defined in FOL the logic of properties of properties, each PC class implies its base property. Hence, logically, the subproperty and any added ".1" will hold for the instances declared and imply the same base property.

Re: [Crm-sig] Properties of properties in RDF

2018-03-15 Thread Conal Tuohy
Thanks Martin, for the link to http://www.cidoc-crm.org/sites/default/files/CRMpc_v1.1_0.rdfs This is actually very close to (and compatible with) the approach I suggested in my earlier email, and I'm embarrassed to say I wasn't aware of it at all. I've managed to find some background material