Re: [Crm-sig] Homework Issue 358: CRMsoc

2018-05-22 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Francesco, On 5/22/2018 10:10 AM, Francesco Beretta wrote: Dear all, Collecting materials in order to prepare a discussion and documentation about a CRM extension devoted to « capturing all social documentation. Its scope will be social norms and social life » (Minutes SIG Cologne 2018)

[Crm-sig] Dinner in Lyon Tonight

2018-05-22 Thread George Bruseker
Dear all, After all that semantics, victuals: Place: Bistrot du Palais (https://goo.gl/maps/eoUfrKfh1JR2 ) Time: 19:30 , Today 22/5/18 How to get there: Metro Place Guichard OR Tramway 1 Palais de Justice Cheers, George

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event

2018-05-22 Thread Robert Sanderson
Similar to Franco’s response, I think what we’re missing is the equivalent of P16, but for Event or even Period. For example, the Period (or Event?) that represents the existence of an object occurs in the presence of many many objects, but only one is the object that the Period is for. Rob F

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event

2018-05-22 Thread Franco Niccolucci
I meant the following. If I shoot a person in a street, this event has me as participant via P11 and all the people in the street as bystanders via P12. It looks strange that the victim has no direct relation with the omicide except P12 “was present”, like all the other people in the crime sce

[Crm-sig] Homework Issue 358: CRMsoc

2018-05-22 Thread Francesco Beretta
Dear all, Collecting materials in order to prepare a discussion and documentation about a CRM extension devoted to « capturing all social documentation. Its scope will be social norms and social life » (Minutes SIG Cologne 2018), I came across two issues which seem to me to be essential, and

[Crm-sig] SIG Meeting room: Salle de la Rotonde

2018-05-22 Thread Vincent Alamercery
Dear all, we'll meet today at 9:30 in the following room: * *Salle de la Rotonde *- 6th floor. Take the lift at your right in the lobby then on the left when leaving. Best, Vincent. -- Vincent Alamercery Pôle histoire numérique LARHRA - UMR 5190 École normale supérieure de Lyon 15 parvis

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event

2018-05-22 Thread George Bruseker
Hi Rob et al., Just to jump in on the reason for this particular scope note reformulation work. The reason behind the effort to articulate a new scope note lies in the reference to states in the previous scope note which has caused an ongoing debate regarding where then ‘states’ are in CIDOC CR

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event

2018-05-22 Thread Robert Sanderson
Agreed entirely with this. The proposed scope note seems more complicated than the current one, for no additional value. The observability also brings into question the nature of the potential observer – can there be more than one observer for an event that lasts longer than a human lifetime?

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note of event

2018-05-22 Thread Franco Niccolucci
There is a subtle difference between “observed” and “observable”: “observed" is an “accident”, “observable” is “substance”. So the lone moonlight dance is not observed for lack of observers, although it is observable. What the dancer thinks during the performance, and by the way also his int