Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-11-03 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, > The FOL formalisation is NOT about publicly available place attestations. > This has not be said anywhere. Generally, the FOL statements are not > constraint by known knowledge. If you question this, or require in the FOL to > distinguish known knowledge from ontologically

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-11-02 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Wolfgang, I do not agree with your conclusions. The FOL formalisation is NOT about publicly available place attestations. This has not be said anywhere. Generally, the FOL statements are not constraint by known knowledge. If you question this, or require in the FOL to distinguish known

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-10-28 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
An even easier example to see that the FOL formalisation is wrong is a stolen painting with unknown whereabouts. In this case there is a place attestation of the origin but no (publicly available) place attestation of the move at all, unless we argue with an implicit "move took place at Planet

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-10-26 Thread Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig
Dear George, Yes, exactly! Best, Wolfgang > Am 26.10.2022 um 22:02 schrieb George Bruseker via Crm-sig > : > > Dear Martin and Wolfgang, > > > > >> Therefore, the described destination is an instance of E53 Place which P89 > >> falls within (contains) the instance of E53 Place the move P7

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-10-26 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin and Wolfgang, > > >> Therefore, the described destination is an instance of E53 Place which > P89 falls within (contains) the instance of E53 Place the move P7 took > place at. > > P26(x,y) ⇒ (∃z) [E53(z) ∧ P7(x,z) ∧ P89(y,z)] > > > > I assume that P26 behaves in the same way as P7,

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-10-26 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Wolfgang, On 10/26/2022 2:00 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, The scope note of P26 "moved to" says: The area of the move includes the origin(s), route and destination(s). I have no issue with that. However, I think the formalisation is not correct: Therefore, the