Re: [crossfire] Game change proposals

2014-06-12 Thread Kevin Zheng
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On 06/12/2014 13:35, Nicolas Weeger wrote:
 What about mini-games?
 
 For instance, instead of a mere lockpicking, you actually have to
 use the picks in the right order in a limited time to pick a lock -
 if you fail, you trigger the traps, of course.
 
 [bonus points to who knows the old game I'm getting inspiration
 from :)]

I like mini-games, and if there were more mini-games I would play
Crossfire a whole lot more. My schedule no longer allows me to sit
down for 4 hours straight hacking through a dungeon.

I think short pickup multiplayer mini-games would be best. A handful
of single-player games would be good, too.

 What about changing alchemy (including the jeweler etc. variants)?
 
 For each formulae you start with a ~3% chance of success. You
 succeed? Get 3 to 5 points. Failure? Get 0-1 point (failure is a
 valuable lesson, after all :)). Capped to ~90%. And maybe not
 giving global experience.

I'm not sure, I'd need more time/discussion to decide. Currently a lot
of ingredients are difficult to come by, so I'm afraid this will make
alchemy too unattractive. This would at least help fix the issue of
out-of-game knowledge of recipes, though.

 What about random (ie player-dependant) parameters? You have more
 success during certain hours, or outside vs inside, or...?

YES! There should be a certain spot in the world where producing a
certain recipe yields extra. Or, certain (hard) recipes should depend
on the phase of the moon. Really, this would encourage alchemists to
go explore the world for once instead of sit in apartments all day.

 Then reduce the dropped items. I mean, so much junk!

Yes, and make more useful items appear once in a while. This will
probably require balancing, too.

 Then, slowing (a lot) combat, making it more tactical. Instead of a
 zillion monsters, some hard to defeat monsters, where you can use
 all your skills and items, and attempt various combinations.

Yes, although I'm not entirely sure how to go about it. Many games
that have combat involve clicking the enemy you want to kill, killing
it, and then moving on to the next. I'm not sure if this suits Crossfire.

 Then various effects on weapons: stun, knock back, confuse, slow,
 etc.

And certain special attacks that take time to recharge, perhaps. But
this would definitely make other spells more useful.

 Reduce the zillion elemental attacks to a lower number (6? 8?),
 other things are side effects.

This would make handling special attacks easier.

Thanks,
Kevin Zheng
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Re: [crossfire] Game change proposals

2014-06-12 Thread Tolga Dalman
On 06/12/2014 09:08 PM, Kevin Zheng wrote:
 On 06/12/2014 13:35, Nicolas Weeger wrote:
 What about mini-games?
 
 For instance, instead of a mere lockpicking, you actually have to use the
 picks in the right order in a limited time to pick a lock - if you fail,
 you trigger the traps, of course.
 
 [bonus points to who knows the old game I'm getting inspiration from :)]
 
 I like mini-games, and if there were more mini-games I would play Crossfire
 a whole lot more. My schedule no longer allows me to sit down for 4 hours
 straight hacking through a dungeon.
 
 I think short pickup multiplayer mini-games would be best. A handful of
 single-player games would be good, too.

I agree. Also, some skills are pretty useless right now. This situation
could be alleviated at the same time.


 What about changing alchemy (including the jeweler etc. variants)?
 
 For each formulae you start with a ~3% chance of success. You succeed?
 Get 3 to 5 points. Failure? Get 0-1 point (failure is a valuable lesson,
 after all :)). Capped to ~90%. And maybe not giving global experience.
 
 I'm not sure, I'd need more time/discussion to decide. Currently a lot of
 ingredients are difficult to come by, so I'm afraid this will make alchemy
 too unattractive. This would at least help fix the issue of out-of-game
 knowledge of recipes, though.

Alchemy is right now rather static, so I agree that there should be added
a little bit of randomness. Adding failure/success is one part of the story,
another one could be to create more random item (properties) with alchemy.
Thus, a high-level crafter could create completely new and unique items.

In any case, I'd also like more discussion about the technical details.


 What about random (ie player-dependant) parameters? You have more success
 during certain hours, or outside vs inside, or...?
 
 YES! There should be a certain spot in the world where producing a certain
 recipe yields extra. Or, certain (hard) recipes should depend on the phase
 of the moon. Really, this would encourage alchemists to go explore the
 world for once instead of sit in apartments all day.

Yes, adding more randomness is good. However, I suppose that this could
lead players to exploit these events once they are found out
(which shouldn't be difficult after all).
It should be possible to turn this feature on or off via a server-side
parameter (or compile-time macro), IMHO.


 Then reduce the dropped items. I mean, so much junk!
 
 Yes, and make more useful items appear once in a while. This will probably
 require balancing, too.

Yes, please do!

 Then, slowing (a lot) combat, making it more tactical. Instead of a 
 zillion monsters, some hard to defeat monsters, where you can use all
 your skills and items, and attempt various combinations.
 
 Yes, although I'm not entirely sure how to go about it. Many games that
 have combat involve clicking the enemy you want to kill, killing it, and
 then moving on to the next. I'm not sure if this suits Crossfire.

While I don't actually see a problem with an adapted user interface (e.g.,
the player automatically continues to attack the next enemy in melee),
this idea really changes crossfire. I certainly would appreciate more
tactical combats/magic since slaughtering masses of monsters becomes
dull after a time. However, this change includes a lot of work and experimenting
with balancing, modified maps, experience, pantheon, etc.

I do support this if you really are going this way. But my feeling is, that it
will be tough.


 Then various effects on weapons: stun, knock back, confuse, slow, etc.
 
 And certain special attacks that take time to recharge, perhaps. But this
 would definitely make other spells more useful.

This makes only sense with the tactial change you proposed above. I like
it :)


 Reduce the zillion elemental attacks to a lower number (6? 8?), other
 things are side effects.
 
 This would make handling special attacks easier.

Sounds good to me.


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