Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-10-02 Thread Stephan Neuhaus
On Oct 1, 2009, at 16:46, Perry E. Metzger wrote: It is also completely impossible to prove you've deleted a record. Someone who can read the record can always make a copy of it. Cryptography can't fix the DRM problem. Sorry, I should have clarified that. We don't want to verify that Bob

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-10-02 Thread dan
It is also completely impossible to prove you've deleted a record. Someone who can read the record can always make a copy of it. Cryptography can't fix the DRM problem. If, and only if, the document lives solely within an airtight surveillance system, then it is possible to prove

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-10-02 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Stephan Neuhaus neuh...@st.cs.uni-sb.de writes: On Oct 1, 2009, at 16:46, Perry E. Metzger wrote: It is also completely impossible to prove you've deleted a record. Someone who can read the record can always make a copy of it. Cryptography can't fix the DRM problem. Sorry, I should have

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-10-01 Thread Stephan Neuhaus
On Sep 30, 2009, at 06:25, Peter Gutmann wrote: Stephan Neuhaus neuh...@st.cs.uni-sb.de writes: Is there something that could be done that would *not* require a TTA? (I have almost given up on this, but it doesn't hurt to ask.) I think you've abstracted away too much information to

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-10-01 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Stephan Neuhaus neuh...@st.cs.uni-sb.de writes: I think you've abstracted away too much information to provide a definite answer, but if all you want is a proof of something being done at time X that'll stand up in court then what's wrong with going to a notary? This has worked just fine

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-30 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Stephan Neuhaus neuh...@st.cs.uni-sb.de writes: For business reasons, Alice can't force Bob to use a particular TTA, and it's also impossible to stipulate a particular TTA as part of the job description (the reason is that Alice and the

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-30 Thread James A. Donald
The Haber Stornetta scheme provides a timestamping service that doesn't require terribly much trust, since hard to forge widely witnessed events delimit particular sets of timestamps. The only issue is getting sufficient granularity. I don't know if their scheme was patented in Germany.

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-30 Thread Perry E. Metzger
James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com writes: The Haber Stornetta scheme provides a timestamping service that doesn't require terribly much trust, since hard to forge widely witnessed events delimit particular sets of timestamps. The only issue is getting sufficient granularity. I don't know

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-29 Thread Stephan Neuhaus
On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:31, Perry E. Metzger wrote: SP 800-102 is intended to address the timeliness of the digital signatures generated using the techniques specified in Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 186-3. [...] SP 800-102 provides methods of obtaining assurance of the

Re: [Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Stephan Neuhaus neuh...@st.cs.uni-sb.de writes: For business reasons, Alice can't force Bob to use a particular TTA, and it's also impossible to stipulate a particular TTA as part of the job description (the reason is that Alice and the Bobsgreat band name BTW---won't agree to trust any

[Barker, Elaine B.] NIST Publication Announcements

2009-09-28 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Forwarded: From: Barker, Elaine B. elaine.bar...@nist.gov To: Barker, Elaine B. elaine.bar...@nist.gov Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:54:18 -0400 Subject: NIST Publication Announcements NIST announces the completion of two NIST Special Publications (SPs): SP 800-56B, Recommendation for Pair-Wise Key