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2005-11-13 Thread Peter Gutmann
"Marcel Popescu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gutmann > >> I can't understand why they didn't just use TLS for the handshake (maybe >> YASSL) and IPsec sliding-window + ESP for the transport (there's a free >> minimal

RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-11-13 Thread Marcel Popescu
> Do you have some articles about these protocols? The authoritative reference for TLS is the TLS RFC (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2246.txt). The authoritative reference for IPsec is of course the IPsec RFC (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2401.txt). As to why they wouldn't use these as they stand, s

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2005-11-09 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Popescu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gutmann I can't understand why they didn't just use TL

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2005-11-04 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/31/05, Kuehn, Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are results available on this issue: First, a paper by > Boneh, Joux, and Nguyen "Why Textbook ElGamal and RSA Encryption > are Insecure", showing that you can essentially half the number > of bits in the message, i.e. in this case the s

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2005-11-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gutmann > I can't understand why they didn't just use TLS for the handshake (maybe > YASSL) and IPsec sliding-window + ESP for the transport (there's a free > minimal implementation of this whose name escapes me for us

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2005-10-31 Thread Kuehn, Ulrich
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von cyphrpunk > Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 06:07 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; cryptography@metzdowd.com > Betreff: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation] > &

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2005-10-31 Thread Whyte, William
7 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; cryptography@metzdowd.com > Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation] > > Wasn't there a rumor last year that Skype didn't do any encryption > padding, it just did a straight exponentiation of the plaintext? > > Would that be

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2005-10-31 Thread cyphrpunk
Wasn't there a rumor last year that Skype didn't do any encryption padding, it just did a straight exponentiation of the plaintext? Would that be safe, if as the report suggests, the data being encrypted is 128 random bits (and assuming the encryption exponent is considerably bigger than 3)? Seems

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2005-10-31 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jack Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I just reread those sections and I still don't see anything about RSA >encryption padding either. 3.2.2 just has some useless factoids about the RSA >implementation (but neglects to mention important implementation points, like >if blinding is used, or if si

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-26 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 07:47:22AM -0700, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, cyphrpunk wrote: > > > Is it possible that Skype doesn't use RSA encryption? Or if they do, > > do they do it without using any padding, and is that safe? > > You may want to read the report itself: >

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2005-10-26 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, cyphrpunk wrote: > Is it possible that Skype doesn't use RSA encryption? Or if they do, > do they do it without using any padding, and is that safe? You may want to read the report itself: http://www.skype.com/security/files/2005-031%20security%20evaluation.pdf an

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2005-10-25 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/23/05, Travis H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter > p2pka) is based on section 3.3 and 3.4.2 and is something like this: > > A -> B: N_ab > B -> A: N_ba > B -> A: Sign{f(N_ab)}_a > A -> B: Sign{f(N_ba)}_b > A -> B: Sign{A, K_a

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2005-10-24 Thread Travis H.
That's a fairly interesting review, and Skype should be commended for hiring someone to do it. I hope to see more evaluations from vendors in the future. However, I have a couple of suggestions. My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter p2pka) is based on section 3.3

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2005-10-24 Thread Damien Miller
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Joseph Ashwood wrote: - Original Message - Subject: [Tom Berson Skype Security Evaluation] Tom Berson's conclusion is incorrect. One needs only to take a look at the publicly available information. I couldn't find an immediate reference directly from the Skype websi

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2005-10-23 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - Subject: [Tom Berson Skype Security Evaluation] Tom Berson's conclusion is incorrect. One needs only to take a look at the publicly available information. I couldn't find an immediate reference directly from the Skype website, but it uses 1024-bit RSA keys, the cover