Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-26 Thread Sandy Harris
Travis H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:42:49AM -0800, Sandy Harris wrote: He starts from information theory and an assumption that there needs to be some constant upper bound on the receiver's per-symbol processing time. From there, with nothing else, he gets to a

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:46:41PM -0800, Allen wrote: An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed. I seem to recall Shannon did some experiments which showed that with a

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Sandy Harris
Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed. What about other languages? Does anyone know the relative entropy of other alphabetic languages?

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:08:07PM -0600, Travis H. wrote: IIRC, it turned out that Egyptian heiroglyphs were actually syllabic, like Mesopotamian, so no fun there. Mayan, on the other hand, remains an enigma. I read not long ago that they also had a way of recording stories on bundles of

RE: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Trei, Peter
Travis H. wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:46:41PM -0800, Allen wrote: [...] What about other languages? Does anyone know the relative entropy of other alphabetic languages? What about the entropy of ideographic languages? Pictographic? Hieroglyphic? IIRC, it turned out that Egyptian

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:42:49AM -0800, Sandy Harris wrote: He starts from information theory and an assumption that there needs to be some constant upper bound on the receiver's per-symbol processing time. From there, with nothing else, he gets to a proof that the optimal frequency

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:53:16PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Speakers of such Native American languages as Navajo, Choctaw and Cheyenne served as radio operators, know as Code Talkers, to keep communications secret during both World Wars. Welsh speakers played a

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-05 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:46:41 -0800 Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gang, An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed. What about other languages? Does anyone know