Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Kerry Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You know, I'd wonder how many people on this list use or have used online banking. To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't. I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home. And I keep a close watch on my bank statements. All things

Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Joseph Ashwood wrote: Granted this is only a test of the generation of 128 numbers, but I got 128 primes (based on 128 MR rounds). That doesn't make sense, unless I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. Primes aren't that common, are they? I don't have time right now to look for a bug in

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Ian G
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dan, maybe you should just keep less money in the bank. i use online banking and financial services of almost every kind (except bill presentment, because i like paper bills). i ccannot do without it. it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose

Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Sidney Markowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin Joseph Ashwood wrote: Granted this is only a test of the generation of 128 numbers, but I got 128 primes (based on 128 MR rounds). That doesn't make sense, unless I'm

RE: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Anton Stiglic
Ok after making that change, and a few others. Selecting only odd numbers (which acts as a small seive) I'm not getting much useful information. It appears to be such that at 512 bits if it passes once it passes 128 times, and it appears to fail on average about 120-130 times, so the sieve

Re: Proving the randomness of a random number generator?

2005-12-05 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 02:21:02AM -0600, Travis H. wrote: On 12/4/05, Victor Duchovni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong threat model. The OP asked whether the system generating random numbers can prove them to have been randomly generating to a passive observer. I didn't read it that way,

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Nicholas Bohm
Kerry Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You know, I'd wonder how many people on this list use or have used online banking. To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't. I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home. And I keep a close watch on my bank

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread mis
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:24:04AM +, Ian G wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose myself to by doing this, in return for what savings and convenience. That part I agree with, but this part: i don't keep a lot of money in banks

Re: Proving the randomness of a random number generator?

2005-12-05 Thread leichter_jerrold
| There's another definition of randomness I'm aware of, namely that the | bits are derived from independent samples taken from some sample space | based on some fixed probability distribution, but that doesn't seem | relevant unless you're talking about a HWRNG. As another poster | pointed out,

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
I would never use online banking, and I advise all my friends and colleagues (particularly those who _aren't_ computer-security-geeks) to avoid it. On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 05:51:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using online banking for many years, both US and Germany. The German