Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:46:41PM -0800, Allen wrote: An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed. I seem to recall Shannon did some experiments which showed that with a

Discrete logarithms modulo 530-bit prime

2007-02-07 Thread Max Alekseyev
Thorsten Kleinjung reports recent success on computing discrete logarithms modulo 530-bit (160 decimal digits) prime: http://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0702L=nmbrthryT=0P=194 Max - The Cryptography Mailing List

FW: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Trei, Peter
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:46:41 -0800 Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gang, An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed.

Re: man in the middle, SSL

2007-02-07 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| somewhat related | Study Finds Bank of America SiteKey is Flawed | http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/05/1323243.shtml Recall how SiteKey works: When you register, you pick an image (from a large collection) and a phrase. Whenever you connect, the bank will play back the image and phrase. You

Re: man in the middle, SSL

2007-02-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Leichter, Jerry wrote: Recall how SiteKey works: When you register, you pick an image (from a large collection) and a phrase. Whenever you connect, the bank will play back the image and phrase. You aren't supposed to enter your password until you see your own image and phrase. i.e. it is a

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Sandy Harris
Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An idle question. English has a relatively low entropy as a language. Don't recall the exact figure, but if you look at words that start with q it is very low indeed. What about other languages? Does anyone know the relative entropy of other alphabetic languages?

Re: convenience vs risk -- US public elections by email and beyond

2007-02-07 Thread Ed Gerck
Thanks for all the comments in and off list. A revised write-up is available at http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976901451 More examples where convenience trumps ease-of-use, and risk, will be added from time to time. Please check back. Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Re: man in the middle, SSL ... addenda 2

2007-02-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
so the assertion in the previous post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm26.htm#30 man in the middle, SSL was that sitekey as being introduced because of shortcomings in SSL countermeasures to man-in-the-middle attacks however sitekey only deals with simple impersonation and is easily

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:08:07PM -0600, Travis H. wrote: IIRC, it turned out that Egyptian heiroglyphs were actually syllabic, like Mesopotamian, so no fun there. Mayan, on the other hand, remains an enigma. I read not long ago that they also had a way of recording stories on bundles of

RE: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Trei, Peter
Travis H. wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:46:41PM -0800, Allen wrote: [...] What about other languages? Does anyone know the relative entropy of other alphabetic languages? What about the entropy of ideographic languages? Pictographic? Hieroglyphic? IIRC, it turned out that Egyptian

One Laptop per Child security

2007-02-07 Thread Ivan Krstić
Earlier today, I publicly released the architecture-level specification for Bitfrost, the security platform on the One Laptop per Child machines: http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=security;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=bitfrost.txt This is a complete but non-technical spec, with its technical complement

Re: One Laptop per Child security

2007-02-07 Thread Saqib Ali
And here is the wired coverage of the BitFrost platform: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72669-0.html?tw=wn_culture_1 From the article: But it should come as no surprise -- given how thoroughly the project has rewritten the conventions of what a laptop should be -- that the OLPC's

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:42:49AM -0800, Sandy Harris wrote: He starts from information theory and an assumption that there needs to be some constant upper bound on the receiver's per-symbol processing time. From there, with nothing else, he gets to a proof that the optimal frequency

Re: One Laptop per Child security

2007-02-07 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:04:40 -0800 Saqib Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here is the wired coverage of the BitFrost platform: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72669-0.html?tw=wn_culture_1 From the article: But it should come as no surprise -- given how thoroughly the project has

Re: Entropy of other languages

2007-02-07 Thread Travis H.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:53:16PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Speakers of such Native American languages as Navajo, Choctaw and Cheyenne served as radio operators, know as Code Talkers, to keep communications secret during both World Wars. Welsh speakers played a