Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread ji
How many bits (not just data, also preamble/postamble, sync bits, etc.) is the keyboard sending for each keystroke anyway? Cheers, /ji - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to [EMAIL

Re: Flaws in OpenSSL FIPS Object Module

2007-12-11 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:17:38PM -0500, Leichter, Jerry wrote: > It is, of course, the height of irony that the bug was introduced in the > very process, and for the very purpose, of attaining FIPS compliance! But also to be expected, because the feature in question is "unnatural": the software

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: | On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:49:19 +1000 | "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Use CFB mode. That takes care of all the above problems... | Believe it or not, I thought of CFB... | | Sending keep-alives will do nasties to battery lifetime, I

Re: PlayStation 3 predicts next US president

2007-12-11 Thread James A. Donald
Francois Grieu wrote: >> That's because if Tn is known (including chosen) to >> "some person", then (due to the weakness in MD5 we >> are talking about), she can generate Dp and Dp' such >> that >> S( MD5(Tn || Dp || Cp || Cn) ) = S( MD5(Tn || Dp' >> || Cp || Cn) ) >> whatever Cp, Cn and S() a

Re: PlayStation 3 predicts next US president

2007-12-11 Thread Allen
silky wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 5:06 AM, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What puzzles me in all this long and rather arcane discussion is why isn't the solution of using a double hash - MD5 *and* SHA whatever. The odds of find a double collision go way up. Some open source software people are a

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:49:19 +1000 "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > > It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth > > (which translates to power) and preserve a datagram model. The > > latter constraint generally rules out stream cipher

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread James A. Donald
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth (which translates to power) and preserve a datagram model. The latter constraint generally rules out stream ciphers; the former rules out things like encrypting the keystroke plus seven random bytes with a 6

Re: PlayStation 3 predicts next US president

2007-12-11 Thread silky
On Dec 11, 2007 5:06 AM, Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What puzzles me in all this long and rather arcane discussion is > why isn't the solution of using a double hash - MD5 *and* SHA > whatever. The odds of find a double collision go way up. > > Some open source software people are already do

Re: PlayStation 3 predicts next US president

2007-12-11 Thread Allen
William Allen Simpson wrote: [snip] The whole point of a notary is to bind a document to a person. That the person submitted two or more different documents at different times is readily observable. After all, the notary has the document(s)! No, the notary does not have the documents *after*

Re: Flaws in OpenSSL FIPS Object Module

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| What does it say about the integrity of the FIPS program, and its CMTL | evaluation process, when it is left to competitors to point out | non-compliance of evaluated products -- proprietary or open source -- | to basic architectural requirements of the standard? I was going to ask the same quest

Re: More on in-memory zeroisation

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| > There was a discussion on this list a year or two back about | > problems in using memset() to zeroise in-memory data, specifically | > the fact that optimising compilers would remove a memset() on | > (apparently) dead data in the belief that it wasn't serving any | > purpose. | | Then, s/mem

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| > Exactly what makes this problem so difficult eludes me, although one | > suspects that the savage profit margins on consumables like | > keyboards and mice might have something to do with it. | > | It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth (which | translates to power) and

Re: Flaws in OpenSSL FIPS Object Module

2007-12-11 Thread Ed Gerck
Vin McLellan wrote: What does it say about the integrity of the FIPS program, and its CMTL evaluation process, when it is left to competitors to point out non-compliance of evaluated products -- proprietary or open source -- to basic architectural requirements of the standard? Enter Reality

Re: Flaws in OpenSSL FIPS Object Module

2007-12-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:27:10 -0500 Vin McLellan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What does it say about the integrity of the FIPS program, and its > CMTL evaluation process, when it is left to competitors to point out > non-compliance of evaluated products -- proprietary or open source -- > to basi