Re: User interface, security, and "simplicity"

2008-05-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"Steven M. Bellovin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's a technical/philosophical issue lurking here. We tried to > solve it in IPsec; not only do I think we didn't succeed, I'm not at > all clear we could or should have succeeded. > > IPsec operates at layer 3, where there are (generally) no

Re: User interface, security, and "simplicity"

2008-05-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 03 May 2008 17:00:48 -0400 "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) writes: > >>I am left with the strong suspicion that SSL VPNs are "easier to > >>configure and use" because a large percentage of their user > >>population simply is not very sen

RE: New result in predicate encryption: disjunction support

2008-05-03 Thread Scott Guthery
Those interested in predicate encryption might also enjoy Group Authentication Using The Naccache-Stern Public-Key Cryptosystem http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0307059 which takes a different approach and handles negation. A group authentication protocol authenticates pre-defined groups of individual

Re: User interface, security, and "simplicity"

2008-05-03 Thread Jeff Simmons
On Saturday 03 May 2008 14:00, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Right now, to use SSH to remotely connect to a machine using public > keys, all I have to do is type "ssh-keygen" and copy the locally > generated public key to a remote machine's authorized keys file. > When there is an IPSEC system that is

Re: User interface, security, and "simplicity"

2008-05-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) writes: >>I am left with the strong suspicion that SSL VPNs are "easier to configure >>and use" because a large percentage of their user population simply is not >>very sensitive to how much security is actually provided. > > They're "easier to configure and use"

Re: User interface, security, and "simplicity"

2008-05-03 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thor Lancelot Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >The upshot is that, indeed, at least as shown here, this particular >configuration frontend to OpenVPN is very easy to configure -- if you are >willing to settle for much less security than OpenVPN was designed to >provide, I think you mean: ]...

New result in predicate encryption: disjunction support

2008-05-03 Thread Ivan Krstić
This is fairly interesting: AFAIK the first generalization of predicate encryption to support disjunctions. I find the result mostly interesting mathematically, since I expect we won't be seeing predicate encryption in widespread use anytime soon due to complexity and regulatory concerns. -

Re: SSL and Malicious Hardware/Software

2008-05-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 2 May 2008 08:33:19 +0100 "Arcane Jill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Phillips > Sent: 28 April 2008 23:13 > To: Cryptography > Subject: SSL and Malicious Hardware/Software > > > I can't thin