Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
I would never use online banking, and I advise all my friends and colleagues (particularly those who _aren't_ computer-security-geeks) to avoid it. On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 05:51:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using online banking for many years, both US and Germany. The German P

Re: Proving the randomness of a random number generator?

2005-12-05 Thread leichter_jerrold
| There's another definition of randomness I'm aware of, namely that the | bits are derived from independent samples taken from some sample space | based on some fixed probability distribution, but that doesn't seem | relevant unless you're talking about a HWRNG. As another poster | pointed out, t

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread mis
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:24:04AM +, Ian G wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose myself to by > >doing this, in return for what savings and convenience. > > That part I agree with, but this part: > > >i don't keep a lot of money

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Nicholas Bohm
Kerry Thompson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >>You know, I'd wonder how many people on this >>list use or have used online banking. >> >>To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't. > > > I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home. > And I keep a close watch

Re: Proving the randomness of a random number generator?

2005-12-05 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 02:21:02AM -0600, Travis H. wrote: > On 12/4/05, Victor Duchovni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wrong threat model. The OP asked whether the system generating random > > numbers can prove them to have been "randomly" generating to a passive > > observer. > > I didn't read

RE: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Anton Stiglic
>Ok after making that change, and a few others. Selecting only odd numbers >(which acts as a small seive) I'm not getting much useful information. It >appears to be such that at 512 bits if it passes once it passes 128 times, >and it appears to fail on average about 120-130 times, so the sieve

Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: "Sidney Markowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin Joseph Ashwood wrote: Granted this is only a test of the generation of 128 numbers, but I got 128 primes (based on 128 MR rounds). That doesn't make sense, unless

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Ian G
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dan, maybe you should just keep less money in the bank. i use online banking and financial services of almost every kind (except bill presentment, because i like paper bills). i ccannot do without it. it seems to me the question is how much liability do i expose myself

Re: Proving the randomness of a random number generator?

2005-12-05 Thread Travis H.
On 12/4/05, Victor Duchovni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wrong threat model. The OP asked whether the system generating random > numbers can prove them to have been "randomly" generating to a passive > observer. I didn't read it that way, but the question wasn't particularly well-formed. I'm not s

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 05:51:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > | To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't. > Until a couple of months ago, I avoided doing anything of this sort at all. > Simple reasoning: If I know I never do any financial stuff on-line, I can > safely delete any mes

Re: Fermat's primality test vs. Miller-Rabin

2005-12-05 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Joseph Ashwood wrote: > Granted this is only a test of the > generation of 128 numbers, but I got 128 primes (based on 128 MR rounds). That doesn't make sense, unless I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. Primes aren't that common, are they? I don't have time right now to look for a bug in y

Re: [Clips] Banks Seek Better Online-Security Tools

2005-12-05 Thread Kerry Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > You know, I'd wonder how many people on this > list use or have used online banking. > > To start the ball rolling, I have not and won't. I do. Although, only from PCs that I trust such as my linux box at home. And I keep a close watch on my bank statements. All things