Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2009-07-17 Thread travis+ml-cryptography
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:01:03PM -0500, j...@tla.org wrote: > How many bits (not just data, also preamble/postamble, sync bits, etc.) > is the keyboard sending for each keystroke anyway? FWIW, it is likely sending keyboard scan codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scancode It doesn't send the

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-14 Thread Peter Gutmann
"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >At every block boundary, keyboard transmits a special signal in the clear >that signifies block boundary. Any time that no key has been pressed for a >while, then when a key is finally pressed, keyboard transmits a bunch of no- >ops sufficient to ens

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-13 Thread James A. Donald
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > Believe it or not, I thought of CFB... > > Sending keep-alives will do nasties to battery > lifetime, I suspect; most of the time, you're not > typing. As for CFB -- with a 64-bit block cipher (you > want them to use DES? they're not going to think of > anything differ

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-13 Thread Taral
On 12/10/07, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Believe it or not, I thought of CFB... What about PCFB to get around the block issue? I remember freenet using it that way... -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unkno

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread ji
How many bits (not just data, also preamble/postamble, sync bits, etc.) is the keyboard sending for each keystroke anyway? Cheers, /ji - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to [EMAIL

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: | On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:49:19 +1000 | "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Use CFB mode. That takes care of all the above problems... | Believe it or not, I thought of CFB... | | Sending keep-alives will do nasties to battery lifetime, I

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:49:19 +1000 "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > > It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth > > (which translates to power) and preserve a datagram model. The > > latter constraint generally rules out stream cipher

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread James A. Donald
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth (which translates to power) and preserve a datagram model. The latter constraint generally rules out stream ciphers; the former rules out things like encrypting the keystroke plus seven random bytes with a 6

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-11 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| > Exactly what makes this problem so difficult eludes me, although one | > suspects that the savage profit margins on consumables like | > keyboards and mice might have something to do with it. | > | It's moderately complex if you're trying to conserve bandwidth (which | translates to power) and

Re: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-10 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:20:44 +0800 "Ian Farquhar (ifarquha)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly what makes this problem so difficult eludes me, although one > suspects that the savage profit margins on consumables like keyboards > and mice might have something to do with it. > It's moderately c

RE: Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-09 Thread Ian Farquhar (ifarquha)
pting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications http://www.dreamlab.net/download/articles/Press%20Release%20Dreamlab%20T echnologies%20Wireless%20Keyboard.pdf Computerworld coverage at http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&; articleId=9051480 The main protectio

Intercepting Microsoft wireless keyboard communications

2007-12-09 Thread Leichter, Jerry
http://www.dreamlab.net/download/articles/Press%20Release%20Dreamlab%20Technologies%20Wireless%20Keyboard.pdf Computerworld coverage at http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9051480 The main protection against interception is the proprietary protocol,