RE: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-15 Thread ian.farquhar
moderated walled garden. Only Apple has customers with a bad enough case of stockholm syndrome to tolerate that sort of nonsense. Ian. -Original Message- From: owner-cryptogra...@metzdowd.com on behalf of Peter Gutmann Sent: Wed 15-Sep-10 2:03 AM To: cryptography@metzdowd.com; g...@toad.co

Re: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-14 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:58 57PM, John Gilmore wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/intels-walled-garden-plan-to-put-av-vendors-out-of-business.ars > > "In describing the motivation behind Intel's recent purchase of McAfee > for a packed-out audience at the Intel Developer Forum,

Re: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Frantz
On 9/13/10 at 8:58 PM, g...@toad.com (John Gilmore) wrote: Intel's Paul Otellini framed it as an effort to move the way the company approaches security "from a known-bad model to a known-good model." Does that include monetary indemnity when the "known-good" turns out to be bad? I bet not.

Re: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-14 Thread David G. Koontz
On 14/09/10 3:58 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/intels-walled-garden-plan-to-put-av-vendors-out-of-business.ars > > "In describing the motivation behind Intel's recent purchase of McAfee > for a packed-out audience at the Intel Developer Forum, Intel's Paul

Re: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Gutmann
John Gilmore writes: >Let me guess -- to run anything but Windows, you'll soon have to jailbreak >even laptops and desktop PC's? Naah, we're perfectly safe, like every other similar attempt after 5-10 years of effort and several hundred million dollars down the drain it'll come to nothing. I gu

Re: Intel plans crypto-walled-garden for x86

2010-09-14 Thread Ben Laurie
On 14/09/2010 04:58, John Gilmore wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/intels-walled-garden-plan-to-put-av-vendors-out-of-business.ars > > "In describing the motivation behind Intel's recent purchase of McAfee > for a packed-out audience at the Intel Developer Forum, Intel's Paul