Re: automatic toll collection, was Japan Puts Its Money on E-Cash

2005-12-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 04:31:36AM -, John Levine wrote:

 An article in Wikipedia says that congestion tolls in London (UK) are
 also collected automatically by taking pictures of license plates.

The German TollCollect system (used on the national highway system)
reads license plates of every vehicle (currently, only trucks
are charged) by OCR. The police is purportely very interested to obtain
realtime access to the logs. 

Don't we all feel much safer, already?

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Re: automatic toll collection, was Japan Puts Its Money on E-Cash

2005-12-16 Thread Peter Clay
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 04:31:36AM -, John Levine wrote:
 An article in Wikipedia says that congestion tolls in London (UK) are
 also collected automatically by taking pictures of license plates.

Yes, the London congestion charge. There were some horror stories about
trouble with the ANPR* technology in the first weeks, but now it's just
ticking over in the background and appears to be working. There is
almost certainly a feed to MI5 (internal security) of the whole thing.

The UK government has various plans for rolling out tracking technology
more widely, such as ANPR cameras on motorways for detecting speeding,
or GPS devices for national road pricing. It's also planning on building
a vast database of everyone's name, address, biometrics, and
fingerprints.

Pete
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Re: automatic toll collection, was Japan Puts Its Money on E-Cash

2005-12-15 Thread John Levine
 And, while there is a privacy issue, optical license plate readers
 are getting good enough that the issue may soon be moot.

Seems moot now.  The 407 toll road around Toronto has no toll booths
at all.  If you drive on it frequently, you can get a transponder but
otherwise, they take a picture of your plates, look you up, and mail
you a bill.  This does work -- I've gotten a bill for my NY car after
a trip.  The web site at http://www.407etr.com/ makes it clear that
the transponder is completely optional, and won't save you any money
unless you use it more than 7 times a year.  (The transponder costs
$2/mo and saves $3.45 per trip.)

The easiest way to get a transponder appears to be to drive on the
road, wait until you get a bill on which they will have assigned you
an account number, then use that number to log into their web site and
order one.

An article in Wikipedia says that congestion tolls in London (UK) are
also collected automatically by taking pictures of license plates.

R's,
John


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Re: automatic toll collection, was Japan Puts Its Money on E-Cash

2005-12-14 Thread John Levine
 Some Americans, analysts note, are already using a version of e-
 cash to bypass toll lanes on highways.

Don't take that as a sign of consumer acceptance, though.  In
Illinois, if you won't pre-pay your tolls in $40 increments, you will
pay double the rate in cash at the toolbooth.

Here in the northeast where E-ZPass is much more established, the
discounts for using the pass are much smaller unless you get a
commuter plan, but they're extremely popular because they save a great
deal of time.  In New Jersey, they've redone several high-volume toll
plazas so the road splits with the right lanes going to toll booths
and the left lanes running under a grid of pass readers where you
don't even slow down.  The prepay increment is only $15.

 And the electronic system is anything but anonymous.

No argument there.  I always figured that I'll use my pass for normal
travel but wrap it in foil and pay cash when I'm disposing of my
political opponents' bodies.  Couldn't have been me, my car has a
pass.  Look at all these toll logs.

R's,
John


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