Re: [cryptography] An appropriate image from Diginotar

2011-09-02 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ralph Holz h...@net.in.tum.de writes: I have some values from our own scans - scans conducted against hosts on the Alexa Top 1M list. Given that that particular Diginotar CA had only issued around 700 certs in total, that means a significant fraction (at least a quarter, depending on how many

[cryptography] [OT] -gate (Re: An appropriate image from Diginotar)

2011-09-02 Thread Harald Hanche-Olsen
[Peter Gutmann pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz (2011-09-02 15:02:42 UTC)] The only downside is that we really need to require CAs to choose names that work better with the -gate suffix. Something like EntrustGate I can deal with, but there's no way I'm trying

Re: [cryptography] [OT] -gate (Re: An appropriate image from Diginotar)

2011-09-02 Thread Marsh Ray
On 09/02/2011 10:29 AM, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote: The -gate suffix is getting tiresome, actually. I tend to agree with this: http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=5106 Ever since a certain third-rate burglary in Washington, D.C., many years ago, journalists have insisted on sticking the

Re: [cryptography] *.google.com certificate issued by DigiNotar

2011-09-02 Thread Marsh Ray
On 09/02/2011 12:55 PM, coderman wrote: the next escalation will be sploiting private keys out of hardware security modules presumed impervious to such attacks. given the quality of HSM firmwares they're lucky cost is somewhat a prohibiting factor for attackers. authority in the wild, not

Re: [cryptography] *.google.com certificate issued by DigiNotar

2011-09-02 Thread Seth David Schoen
Marsh Ray writes: Why would they need to? What's the difference between a private key in the wild and a pwned CA that, even months after a breakin and audit, doesn't revoke or even know what it signed? (This is a serious question) The pwned CA leaves evidence that other people can

Re: [cryptography] *.google.com certificate issued by DigiNotar

2011-09-02 Thread coderman
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Marsh Ray ma...@extendedsubset.com wrote: ... What's the difference between a private key in the wild and a pwned CA that, even months after a breakin and audit, doesn't revoke or even know what it signed? i should have been more clear; by pwning the HSM i

Re: [cryptography] An appropriate image from Diginotar

2011-09-02 Thread Solar Designer
On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 03:02:42AM +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: Another point is that minting 200-250 certs isn't something you can do with a mouse click, you need to prepare all the cert requests with site-specific data customised to each site, and that takes time. They must have had the run