On 2/07/13 03:33 AM, mtm wrote:
as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these
fellas are decent men and not petty.
I know a few of the older ones as well. They are indeed decent men, and
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:07 AM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote:
... it only takes a few
deviations to drift into crisis when power is large and concentrated.
the behemoth that is the current intelligence apparatus(es) is most
disturbing in this aspect; truly excessive concentration of power
unethical
Hmmm. Thanks, Ethan! Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe the NSA was always
allowed to pass criminal evidence across to the civilian police forces.
It's a very strange world.
iang
On 1/07/13 06:12 AM, Ethan Heilman wrote:
The way I read that (and combined with the overall disclosures that
they are
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:37 AM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote:
Hmmm. Thanks, Ethan! Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe the NSA was always allowed to
pass criminal evidence across to the civilian police forces. It's a very
strange world.
No, the doctrine of the fruit of the poisoned tree makes it
And when LEA
get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
go to prison, for example).
It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
prosecute its own,
even if only to save embarassment, so many of these cases will never see a jury.
That's why you
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
And when LEA
get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
go to prison, for example).
It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
prosecute its own,
even if only to save
On 2013-07-02 8:47 AM, Nico Williams wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
And when LEA
get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
go to prison, for example).
It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote:
And when LEA
get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
go to prison, for example).
It is often in the interest/whim of
as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these fellas
are decent men and not petty.
On Jul 2, 2013 12:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Nico Williams
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, mtm marctmil...@gmail.com wrote:
as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these fellas
are decent men and not petty.
Then they would have nothing to fear if put on trial
Whereas the
incentive to keep the secret from spilling is so strong that it should
act as a moderator on its operators.
... against use outside of its original scope/parties. I can see that.
Time and history tends to expose everything though. And in the present,
not knowing what we don't know
id like to say these fellas are decent men
True for sure. Yet sometimes when you assemble large systems of
even the best of men, those systems may drift from or not always
retain the fine character of its components. A weakness of humanity
perhaps.
___
enlisted guys and trigger job attys arent worried about being put on
trial...as much as it pains me to say it.. if youre doing nothing wrong..
On Jul 2, 2013 1:42 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, mtm marctmil...@gmail.com wrote:
as a spartan of
On 29/06/13 13:23 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower
One of the most interesting things to fall out of this entire ordeal is
that we now have a new threat model that regular users will not merely
dismiss as paranoid.
Fully agree. I suspect the released figures showing a spike in FBI
wire-taps may be cover/laundry and indicative of receiving domestic
targetted crime tips from NSA.
Another vector: the UK GCHQ have reportedly on their list of authorized
spying motivations economic well being. That translates
The way I read that (and combined with the overall disclosures that they
are basically collecting everything they can get their hands on) the NSA
has now been de-militarised, or civilianised if you prefer that term. In
the sense that, information regarding criminal activity is now being shared
Ethan Heilman:
The way I read that (and combined with the overall disclosures that they
are basically collecting everything they can get their hands on) the NSA
has now been de-militarised, or civilianised if you prefer that term. In
the sense that, information regarding criminal activity is
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