[cryptography] Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch?

2012-09-05 Thread StealthMonger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch? A secret is to be revealed only if/when signed messages stop appearing. It is to be cryptographically strong and not rely on a trusted other party. The motivating application is a Living Trust wherein

Re: [cryptography] Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch?

2012-09-05 Thread Wim Remes
Hi, what's the difference from a normal dead man switch that would reveal said secret if/when messages stop appearing. You can't check the signature of a message that isn't received, right? It could work in a way where the 'switch' sends a message and reveals the message if there is no signed

Re: [cryptography] Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch?

2012-09-05 Thread Natanael
If the trustee (correct word?) stops passing the messages to your CDMS (cryptographic dead man switch), it would simply decrypt the original message automatically. So you can not put the entire mechanism in the hands of the trustee, especially not the part that authorizes the decryption. I could

Re: [cryptography] Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch?

2012-09-05 Thread Lodewijk andré de la porte
So to be short: no, there cannot. The absence of new information cannot cause the information needed for decryption to become known. Unless you find some way to reverse that or use a hybrid crypto and non-crypto solution a DMS cannot happen. Anyone disagree? Note that a Bitcoin-like/distributed

Re: [cryptography] Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch?

2012-09-05 Thread James A. Donald
On 2012-09-05 11:51 PM, StealthMonger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can there be a cryptographic dead man switch? A secret is to be revealed only if/when signed messages stop appearing. It is to be cryptographically strong and not rely on a trusted other party. Such