Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-26 Thread ianG
Top-posting and +1ing on a few responses. Two points, on pedagogy, and grounding. Pedagogy. In cryptography, we teach people to analyse existing algorithms and systems, before attempting to build their own. This really takes a long time, years or a decade. We don't expect junior cryptog

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-26 Thread ianG
On 26/01/13 01:25 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Hi All, Is there any bonding of CAs? Do any browsers or other relying parties require it? EV requires insurance, but the description was originally a little convoluted. In essence it could be summarised "unless one is Symantec nee Verisign, a tok

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-26 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-01-26 8:31 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: Since there isn't a strong list moderator here, I gotta ask: is this (and similar PKIX-is-broken threads) on-topic for this mailing list? Regardless of how much I agree with the sentiment, it seems to have nothing to do with cryptography. Maybe someon

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Natanael
Well, are there more people here who want a more strict crypto only list than those who want a more "generic" one? Would we set stricter rules here, or would there have to be a split? If there would be a split, are there enough of those who want a stricter list to start a new list and keep it going

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread rex
Peter Gutmann [2013-01-25 17:04]: I'd say it is. Despite the title, it's a general-purpose security list, the logical successor to Perry's list for which the topic was "anything Perry finds interesting", so I'd say non-pure-crypto discussions are very much OK. In fact a pure-crypto list would g

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Adam Back
I had the impression this list and its predecssor moderated (too heavily IMO) by Perry were primarily about applied crypto. So you get to tolerate a bit of applied crypto security stuff if you're interested in crypto theory and vice versa. Seems healthy to me (cross informs both camps). In term

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Paul Hoffman writes: >Since there isn't a strong list moderator here, I gotta ask: is this (and >similar PKIX-is-broken threads) on-topic for this mailing list? I'd say it is. Despite the title, it's a general-purpose security list, the logical successor to Perry's list for which the topic was

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jan 25, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Natanael wrote: > If somebody wants there to be a pure cryptography mailing list and separate > more generic one (like this one currently is), I think that person would have > to try starting a more strict crypto mailing list, because I don't think most > people he

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Natanael
On topic for the thread: I don't *think* there's currently any insurance companies with special policies for CA:s. There might be about 600 organizations that can issue SSL certs according to EFF, but there's more insurance companies than that in the world. Most of them probably don't have many CA:

Re: [cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Paul Hoffman
Since there isn't a strong list moderator here, I gotta ask: is this (and similar PKIX-is-broken threads) on-topic for this mailing list? Regardless of how much I agree with the sentiment, it seems to have nothing to do with cryptography. Maybe someone should set up a post-pki mailing list for s

[cryptography] Bonding or Insuring of CAs?

2013-01-25 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Hi All, Is there any bonding of CAs? Do any browsers or other relying parties require it? Recall the first thing Diginotar did upon its failure was declare bankruptcy. I believe that likely relieved the company of most of its fiduciary responsibilities laid out in it CPS. Two things drop out: (1