Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-09 Thread Alan Braggins
On 08/04/14 11:46, ianG wrote: We have here a rare case of a broad break in a security protocol leading to compromise of keys. Though it's an implementation break, not a protocol break. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-09 Thread James A. Donald
On 08/04/14 11:46, ianG wrote: We have here a rare case of a broad break in a security protocol leading to compromise of keys. On 2014-04-09 21:53, Alan Braggins wrote: Though it's an implementation break, not a protocol break. Not exactly. The protocol failed to define a response to

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 04/10/2014 12:29 AM, James A. Donald wrote: On 08/04/14 11:46, ianG wrote: We have here a rare case of a broad break in a security protocol leading to compromise of keys. On 2014-04-09 21:53, Alan Braggins wrote: Though it's an implementation break, not a protocol break. Not

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 9, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: I figure there are some protocol design lessons maybe. There's a thread started on the TLS list about it today. [2] Be interesting to see what that turns up. There is actually a second thread on the TLS list today

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread Edwin Chu
I am not openssl expert and here is just my observation. TLS frame messages into length-prefixed records. Each records has a 1 byte contentType and a 2 byte record length, followed by the record content and MAC. Heartbeat messages are TLS records with contentType 24 of this content format:

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread ianG
On 7/04/2014 22:53 pm, Edwin Chu wrote: Hi A latest story for OpenSSL http://heartbleed.com/ The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in the popular OpenSSL cryptographic software library. This weakness allows stealing the information protected, under normal

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 8, 2014 2:03 AM, Edwin Chu edwinche...@gmail.com wrote: I am not openssl expert and here is just my observation. TLS frame messages into length-prefixed records. Each records has a 1 byte contentType and a 2 byte record length, followed by the record content and MAC. Heartbeat

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread Nico Williams
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:02:50PM -0700, Edwin Chu wrote: I am not openssl expert and here is just my observation. [...] Thanks for this analysis. Sadly, a variable-sized heartbeat payload was probably necessary, at least for the DTLS case: for PMTU discovery. Once more, a lack of an IDL,

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 11:46:49AM +0100, ianG wrote: While everyone's madly rushing around to fix their bitsbobs, I'd encouraged you all to be alert to any evidence of *damages* either anecdotally or more firm. By damages, I mean (a) rework needed to secure, and (b) actual breach into sites

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread tpb-crypto
Message du 08/04/14 18:44 De : ianG E.g., if we cannot show any damages from this breach, it isn't worth spending a penny on it to fix! Yes, that's outrageous and will be widely ignored ... but it is economically and scientifically sound, at some level. So, let's wait until another 40

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread Nico Williams
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:12:25PM -0400, Jonathan Thornburg wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 11:46:49AM +0100, ianG wrote: While everyone's madly rushing around to fix their bitsbobs, I'd encouraged you all to be alert to any evidence of *damages* either anecdotally or more firm. By

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:18 PM, tpb-cry...@laposte.net wrote: Message du 08/04/14 18:44 De : ianG E.g., if we cannot show any damages from this breach, it isn't worth spending a penny on it to fix! Yes, that's outrageous and will be widely ignored ... but it is economically and

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:46 AM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 7/04/2014 22:53 pm, Edwin Chu wrote: ... E.g., if we cannot show any damages from this breach, it isn't worth spending a penny on it to fix! Yes, that's outrageous and will be widely ignored ... but it is economically and

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread tpb-crypto
Message du 08/04/14 21:42 De : ianG A : tpb-cry...@laposte.net, cryptogra...@metzdowd.com, cryptography@randombit.net Copie à : Objet : Re: [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL On 8/04/2014 20:18 pm, tpb-cry...@laposte.net wrote: Message du

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread ianG
On 8/04/2014 20:33 pm, Nico Williams wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:12:25PM -0400, Jonathan Thornburg wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 11:46:49AM +0100, ianG wrote: While everyone's madly rushing around to fix their bitsbobs, I'd encouraged you all to be alert to any evidence of *damages*

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread ianG
On 8/04/2014 21:02 pm, tpb-cry...@laposte.net wrote: You said you control a quite famous bug list. Not me, you might be thinking of the other iang? I should not ask this here, but considering the situation we found ourselves regarding encryption infrastructure abuse from the part of US

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread mtm
we should probably stop keeping secrets on the internet. (snark snark) marc On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:17 PM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 8/04/2014 21:02 pm, tpb-cry...@laposte.net wrote: You said you control a quite famous bug list. Not me, you might be thinking of the other iang? I

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-08 Thread James A. Donald
On 2014-04-09 00:48, Nico Williams wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 11:02:50PM -0700, Edwin Chu wrote: I am not openssl expert and here is just my observation. [...] Thanks for this analysis. Sadly, a variable-sized heartbeat payload was probably necessary, at least for the DTLS case: for PMTU

[cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-07 Thread Edwin Chu
Hi A latest story for OpenSSL http://heartbleed.com/ The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in the popular OpenSSL cryptographic software library. This weakness allows stealing the information protected, under normal conditions, by the SSL/TLS encryption used to secure the Internet.

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-07 Thread staticsafe
On 2014-04-07 17:53, Edwin Chu wrote: Hi A latest story for OpenSSL http://heartbleed.com/ ed Already patched in Debian. DSA 2896-1. -- staticsafe ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-07 Thread Sandy Harris
staticsafe m...@staticsafe.ca wrote: On 2014-04-07 17:53, Edwin Chu wrote: Hi A latest story for OpenSSL http://heartbleed.com/ ed Already patched in Debian. DSA 2896-1. OK, but if you have the patches, should you still assume all your keys may have been compromised and therefore

Re: [cryptography] The Heartbleed Bug is a serious vulnerability in OpenSSL

2014-04-07 Thread konfkukor
The git blame in a heartbeat: http://git.openssl.org/gitweb/?p=openssl.git;a=commitdiff;h=96db9023b881d7cd9f379b0c154650d6c108e9a3 The big question is: Seeing these diff lines, how does one reveal 64k of memory? The first who codes is the first who posts.