Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
I made cypherpu...@librelist.com. Nice and non-controversial. Feel free to post there. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 21:28 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list Of course it is pure watch list bait. That's the point. bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. If you think it's a deterrent, then it's not the right list to join, anyway. I think I should be on any watch list known to man, if not, they've been asleep at the wheel. And it would be self-DoS, which is precisely the point. I think the name of the recently-created list aptly demonstrates this point: crypto-politics, not cypherpunk. They're decidedly different meme pools: one produces key escrow, the other produces Wikileaks and OpenPGP. -- Sent from Ubuntu ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Yeah but that is basically zero traffic, and I suspect in large part because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Adam On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 08:59:43AM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:46:49AM -0700, Tony Arcieri wrote: The original Cypherpunks mailing list seems dead. Is there any list that it's successor? De facto it's cypherpu...@al-qaeda.net ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Moritz wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. Yes I know, but that badly named listserv is the last CDR. Adam ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:50:18PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. We have to agree to disagree on that one. A 'punk' of any kind will tend to thumb his nose at authorities. If they consider the name annoying, so much the better. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. Yes I know, but that badly named listserv is the last CDR. I find the base is a very good name for a listserv. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Cyberpunk, cypherpunk, coderpunks... is all fine, I think people have understood the etymology of those terms after a few decades, negative connotations to some of 'punk' notwithstanding, a cypherpunk is a term for an area of interest or philosophy with a dictionary definition at this point. But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. Adam On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 06:18:14PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:50:18PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. We have to agree to disagree on that one. A 'punk' of any kind will tend to thumb his nose at authorities. If they consider the name annoying, so much the better. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Well then start one up and show us how it's done Adam. Put your money where your mouth is. Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Moritz wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. Yes I know, but that badly named listserv is the last CDR. Adam ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Speaking as one of the two people who started that particular effort, it never quite worked out that way. Way too many TLAs, law suits, IRS visits, and those who read their own press releases to make it nearly as enjoyable as it sounds. Moritz mor...@headstrong.de wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. --Mo ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Yeah but that is basically zero traffic, and I suspect in large part because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. i like it. waiting for the day they accept donations and i can provide material support to al-qaeda... ;) ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
* Adam Back schrieb am 2013-03-25 um 09:25 Uhr: Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Our local hackerspace uses a rather neutral address: URL:https://list.lstsrv.org/ We could also host the Cypherpunks list, if you like. However here is no Majordomo running (and probably never will be). As far as I see it the list doesn't use the distributed feature, so switching to Mailman should not be a hard problem. If you like a more on topic domain I could setup a mailing list at anonymitaet-im-inter.net. ;) This is german for »anonymity on the internet«. The site hosts at the moment only a Mixmaster node. -- Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Wo die Zivilcourage keine Heimat hat, reicht die Freiheit nicht weit. Willy Brandt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list Of course it is pure watch list bait. That's the point. bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. If you think it's a deterrent, then it's not the right list to join, anyway. I think I should be on any watch list known to man, if not, they've been asleep at the wheel. And it would be self-DoS, which is precisely the point. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 21:28 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list Of course it is pure watch list bait. That's the point. bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. If you think it's a deterrent, then it's not the right list to join, anyway. I think I should be on any watch list known to man, if not, they've been asleep at the wheel. And it would be self-DoS, which is precisely the point. I think the name of the recently-created list aptly demonstrates this point: crypto-politics, not cypherpunk. They're decidedly different meme pools: one produces key escrow, the other produces Wikileaks and OpenPGP. -- Sent from Ubuntu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
