Re: [css-d] Why I hate IE, oh let me count the ways

2005-11-16 Thread David Laakso
el Deuce wrote: >First off, I would like to say hello to the group. I hope that someone will >be able to help me and I will stick around and hopefully be able to help >someone else down the road. > >I am no where near great at css but what i have learned in the past month or >so is all from going

Re: [css-d] Why I hate IE, oh let me count the ways

2005-11-16 Thread Michael Hulse
On Nov 16, 2005, at 7:48 PM, el Deuce wrote: > I am trying to make it vertically center aligned. Hmm, the layout goes outside of the page (top and left edges) when window is shrunk down to size... I am on Safari 1.3/Mac... My laptop screen is small, so I can't expand the window big enough to see

[css-d] Why I hate IE, oh let me count the ways

2005-11-16 Thread el Deuce
First off, I would like to say hello to the group. I hope that someone will be able to help me and I will stick around and hopefully be able to help someone else down the road. I am no where near great at css but what i have learned in the past month or so is all from going to other people's sites

[css-d] Safari Issue?

2005-11-16 Thread M . Douglas Wray
Seeing an odd behavior in Safari 2.0.2 At: http://www.toddlockwood.com/galleries/dnd/01/ The thumbnails on the right side of the page sometimes lay out properly, sometimes not. The error is mispositioning - overlaps, appearing outside the div... comes and goes semi-randomly. Reloading page someti

Re: [css-d] Nested list positioning / Mac IE 5.x

2005-11-16 Thread Jono
On 11/15/05 3:06 PM, "Michael Schwarz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to get a nested list (with links) to be positioned as > follows: > level one - horizontal > level two - vertical > > Seems to work fine with all browsers but Mac IE 5.2. > Here is a testcase (css inside): > http://www.

Re: [css-d] mn-width in IE

2005-11-16 Thread Christian Montoya
> > I need to set a min-width on the following site to ensure the top > header image does not wrap to the next line. > > In FF Windows, I have just used min-width:770px on the html,body rule. > IE, does not respect this. How do I force IE to respect this, any any > other browsers that displays the

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Kenoli Oleari
>> In the end, the client >> isn't going to accept that 20% of the audience might see a plain text >> email instead of the pictures. >> > > I have my mail client set up so it doesn't display images in HTML > email. > Try pointing out to them that I haven't seen an HTML email from > which I > co

Re: [css-d] Skip Links

2005-11-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 16 Nov 2005, at 10:47 pm, Al Sparber wrote: > It works in Safari - and probably in Firefox. Actually I modified the > approach a bit this morning to better illustrate why the wrapper is > used. The technique we arrived at was done for a government web site > we've been working closely with and

Re: [css-d] question from a beginner

2005-11-16 Thread Polina Grinbaum
"one thing you said you were looking for is a way to "make my work easier to understand and accomplish."" for me I feel more in control with my coding projects if I start every project with a stupidly detailed to do list. Then I keep a to do list going as I worked, generally on paper. This is key

[css-d] mn-width in IE

2005-11-16 Thread Schalk
Greetings All I need to set a min-width on the following site to ensure the top header image does not wrap to the next line. In FF Windows, I have just used min-width:770px on the html,body rule. IE, does not respect this. How do I force IE to respect this, any any other browsers that display

Re: [css-d] question from a beginner

2005-11-16 Thread Daniel LeVangie-Stricklen
"Is there a preferred way to get a project started. What I mean to say is, do you type of all the HTML first, mark it up and then write the CSS or do you do it piece meal? I am just trying to figure out a logical process which to go by so that I can make my work easier to understand and accomplish.

[css-d] text breaks

2005-11-16 Thread Patrick Roane
Hi folks, For some reason, my text breaks and falls to a new line for all of my custom bullets at: www.cpcconstruction.net/1/homes.html (hover over any of the pictures) For example, "760 S Mitchell Elmhurst, Illinois" (text for the 1st picture) should all be on the same line, but it breaks and

Re: [css-d] GRID tag

2005-11-16 Thread Weston Cann
> What if there was a tag (GRID, perhaps?) that acted the same > way as the TABLE tag but implied that just about any type of content > would be presented? Sometimes when working with client sites I am working > on pages that have already been created with tables and because of the > volume of

Re: [css-d] Question from a beginner

2005-11-16 Thread Polina Grinbaum
I start with a print-out of all the pages- or a quick sketch I then measure things out, check font-sizes, colors etc.. and write them on the sheet. I check for common elements first then I use pencil to design my strategy- this is one container div , this will eb the header etc on those first

Re: [css-d] Question from a beginner

2005-11-16 Thread C.A. Liebert
I guess the thing most people here said is true: everyone has it's on way of "starting". Try different approaches and figure out the one that suits you best. I always do "it" like that: 1. project in my favorite graphics editor 2. xhtml structure (with almost whole content in) 3. scripts (js, php+

Re: [css-d] site check please

2005-11-16 Thread David Laakso
Schalk wrote: >Greetings All > >Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site: >www.volume4.com/tc/ Thank you all in advance. > > > On zoom FF gets it right-- the nav container expands vertically, and throws h1. IE only /looks/ correct on zoom.You ignored Georg's comm

Re: [css-d] ADMIN: GRID tag?

2005-11-16 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 1:21 PM -0500 11/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The purpose of my question is not to start a tables vs. CSS debate >but couldn't something like this be done on occasion?: It probably could, but not in today's browsers. There are also language design questions revolving how to create a

Re: [css-d] site check please - volume4.com/tc

2005-11-16 Thread Felix Miata
Trish Meyer wrote: > At 4:57 PM +0200 11/16/05, Schalk wrote: > >www.volume4.com/tc/ > It looks like the photo should be the same height as the left column > (nav bar) area, but the left column is taller. You can't do that without sizing things in px. To me it's obvious it can't be, though ma

Re: [css-d] GRID tag?

2005-11-16 Thread Troy Brophy
Having recently been handed an entire web app that was built with tables, I can feel your pain. I want to be XHTML Strict compliant, and only use TABLEs when I'm displaying tabular data, but sometimes converting complicated sets of input fields and labels is a real pain. Not to mention the time i

Re: [css-d] site check please

2005-11-16 Thread Troy Brophy
The top nav looks good in XP IE 6.0 and latest FireFox, but I wanted to mention one thing, from a usability standpoint. The page links are underlined until you mouse over them, and then the underline decoration disappears. This is a bit confusing on pages like http://www.volume4.com/tc/case/index.

[css-d] GRID tag?

2005-11-16 Thread christianz
Keep in mind that this is coming from somebody who is a huge proponent of CSS but it seems that a lot of the backlash against tables is because of the semantic meeting of the word 'table,' which seems to (strongly seems, I would agree) indicate that tabular 'data' is about to be presented. But w

Re: [css-d] site check please

2005-11-16 Thread Trish Meyer
At 4:57 PM +0200 11/16/05, Schalk wrote: >Greetings All > >Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site: >www.volume4.com/tc/ Thank you all in advance. > On Mac, Safari, when I hover over the nav bar, the hover state seems to be taller than the normal state? This results in

Re: [css-d] an absolute bug in ie???

2005-11-16 Thread Ingo Chao
google site:archivist.incutio.com IE position absolute IE needs offset values for a.p. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ

Re: [css-d] Div shrinking to content width in IE

2005-11-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Barnaby Scott wrote: > This is another question about the following site: > > http://www.southdevons.co.uk/ > CSS is here: http://www.southdevons.co.uk/style/grove.css > > In Firefox, it looks as I intended, but there are a couple of pages > which have insufficient text to reach the right-hand marg

[css-d] Div shrinking to content width in IE

2005-11-16 Thread Barnaby Scott
This is another question about the following site: http://www.southdevons.co.uk/ CSS is here: http://www.southdevons.co.uk/style/grove.css In Firefox, it looks as I intended, but there are a couple of pages which have insufficient text to reach the right-hand margin (on my screen), and on these p

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
> In the end, the client > isn't going to accept that 20% of the audience might see a plain text > email instead of the pictures. I have my mail client set up so it doesn't display images in HTML email. Try pointing out to them that I haven't seen an HTML email from which I could derive one scinti

Re: [css-d] CSS and JAVA

2005-11-16 Thread Will Barker
On 11/15/05, Michael Polcari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've had success with org.apache.batik.css.parser.* Let me know if you > have any specific questions on getting it running > > > -mike polcari > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PR

[css-d] site check please

2005-11-16 Thread Schalk
Greetings All Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site: www.volume4.com/tc/ Thank you all in advance. -- Kind Regards Schalk Neethling Web Developer.Designer.Programmer.President Volume4.Business.Solution.Developers ___

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Eric Shepherd
Unless you don't have a client, use tables. In the end, the client isn't going to accept that 20% of the audience might see a plain text email instead of the pictures. At Fisher-Price, I'm working for standards as much as possible, and I initially talked to the email guy about CSS, but I've really

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Felix Miata
Eoin Maguire wrote: > I know people are fairly divided on the subject of whether HTML emails > are a good or bad thing but at the moment I'm creating a few and have > naturally used CSS everywhere possible. I've subsequently found out that > while Outlook displays them nicely, online services

Re: [css-d] Skip Links

2005-11-16 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Bill Gates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I assume that you know that this method doesn't work in OSX. It works in Safari - and probably in Firefox. Actually I modified the approach a bit this morning to better illustrate why the wrapper is used. The technique we arrived at was done for a governm

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread David Dorward
On 16/11/05, Eoin Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've subsequently found out that while Outlook displays them nicely, online > services > such as Yahoo, Hotmail and Gmail all but ignore the CSS elements. sections tend to get stripped. Stick to using style _attributes_. -- David Dorward

Re: [css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Eoin Maguire wrote: >I know people are fairly divided on the subject of whether HTML emails >are a good or bad thing but at the moment I'm creating a few and have >naturally used CSS everywhere possible. I've subsequently found out that >while Outlook displays them nicely, online services suc

Re: [css-d] an absolute bug in ie???

2005-11-16 Thread ross
This page http://www.nssdesign.scot.nhs.uk/publications/test.php http://www.nssdesign.scot.nhs.uk/publications/test.css looks ok in firefox but the menu is pushed over to the right-hand side. R. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [css-d] an absolute bug in ie???

2005-11-16 Thread David Dorward
On 16/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there an absoulte positioning bug that effects ie. At least two that I can think off of the top of my head ("text can't be selected when absolute positioning is used in standards mode" and "absolutely positioned element inside relative

[css-d] CSS and HTML emails

2005-11-16 Thread Eoin Maguire
Hi, I know people are fairly divided on the subject of whether HTML emails are a good or bad thing but at the moment I'm creating a few and have naturally used CSS everywhere possible. I've subsequently found out that while Outlook displays them nicely, online services such as Yahoo, Hotmai

Re: [css-d] an absolute bug in ie???

2005-11-16 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/11/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there an absoulte positioning bug that effects ie. > > Have searched but cannot find anything. Strange. http://www.positioniseverything.net/posbugs.html http://www.positioniseverything.net/abs_relbugs.html Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimant

[css-d] an absolute bug in ie???

2005-11-16 Thread ross
Is there an absoulte positioning bug that effects ie. Have searched but cannot find anything. Thanks, R. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.in

Re: [css-d] Question from a beginner

2005-11-16 Thread Christian Heilmann
> Is there a preferred way to get a project started. What I mean to say is, do > you type of all the HTML first, mark it up and then write the CSS or do you > do it piece meal? I am just trying to figure out a logical process which to > go by so that I can make my work easier to understand and acco