Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-31 Thread Barney Carroll
Chris Ovenden wrote: http://olav.dk/articles/tables.html I'm not going to argue with that at all. It's completely true. Generally, there is wisdom in the pseudo-religious standards-compliance of CSS gurus, but I have always felt that the case against tables was exceptionally weak. Apart from

Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-31 Thread Dave Goodchild
Have you ever used a screen reader to navigate a nested table page? I have, and the experience is nightmarish. Have you ever had to maintain the look and feel of a table-based site? I have, and the experience is nightmarish and a waste of time and money. Not to mention the fact that when you use

Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-31 Thread Chris Ovenden
I'm sorry - is it now passe to have the navigation after the content? I thought screen reader users (not to mention search engine spiders) hated wading though the navigation to get to the content? This certainly appeared to be the case last year when I was trying to get www.five.tv through level 2

Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-31 Thread Dave Goodchild
This is how I build sites: 1. Start by creating the xhtml structure, which forces me (and hopefully the client) to look at the structural and semantic organisation of the CONTENT. 2. Once I have that, I can then assign the relevant divs to each part of the layout, with names that identify the

[css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
http://olav.dk/articles/tables.html -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information

Re: [css-d] Blowtorches at the ready...

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Goodchild
No mention or understanding of accessibility, ease of maintenance or semantics then... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7