RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-24 Thread Arno @ Raketnet
I would try to make your design as hack-free as possible, as suggested already by many. Since (most) browsers are developing all the time, you run the risk that a hack maybe solved in a future version of a browser. Using a hack to abuse the behaviour of a browser is almost-guaranteed a temporary

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On 23/08/05, Haoshiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is generally regarded as a *bad* thing because tables are for tabular data only but the fact of the matter remains that they do *work* and are generally rendered close to the same way across browsers common browsers. ... With one

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-24 Thread Christian Heilmann
Ok, this is my next question in my learning quest. To use hacks or not to use hacks. There are so many of them out there that it is a bit confusing. And with so many to learn it gets a bit frustrating. How do you remember all of them? do you keep a cheat sheet near you? My mind is

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-24 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
4css wrote: Not to pick on Al at all. It's just that this topic has been known to reach Holy War status. I'd rather not see that on the list. Very messy. I would prefer that it not go that way, Newbies dont' learn when this happens, all I am requesting is **information** for

[css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Ok, this is my next question in my learning quest. To use hacks or not to use hacks. There are so many of them out there that it is a bit confusing. And with so many to learn it gets a bit frustrating. How do you remember all of them? do you keep a cheat sheet near you? My mind is sort of

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Haoshiro
Deb, Personally I would recommend *against* using hacks at all. Conditional Comments and behaviors should be able to get you past the really problematic IE issues. In my experience many of the compatibility issues across browsers is caused by the lack of complete CSS standards support in

RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Al Lemieux
PM To: 4css Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not Deb, Personally I would recommend *against* using hacks at all. Conditional Comments and behaviors should be able to get you past the really problematic IE issues. In my experience many

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Al Lemieux wrote: Deb, I'm in total agreement with Haoshiro. Hacks are just that - hacks. Its like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. A lot of them didn't work for me either. to the OP, most hacks are documented in the wiki- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssHack whether you

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Thanks Al and Haoshiro. I really appreciate your replies. I have come across the conditional statments, and did use them in the beginign of my playing with css. I have just recently purchased Lowery's book, CSS Hacks and Filters, and didn't really realize how many of them are out there!

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Hi Adam, thanks for the links, I will flag this email and make use of it. I have seen the links on the Wiki, and wished to know of more if they are out there, good ones that is. snip Not to pick on Al at all. It's just that this topic has been known to reach Holy War status. I'd rather not

RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Adam Kuehn
Al Lemieux wrote: I'm in total agreement with Haoshiro. Hacks are just that - hacks. Its like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. A lot of them didn't work for me either. May I suggest that this topic is covered sufficiently on the Wiki? Please see these pages: