Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-04-02 Thread Jens Brueckmann
On 30/03/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use the shortcuts _only_, you are limiting yourself to 256 colors, which often isn't very restrictive but doesn't mean actual benefits either. Actually 16×16×16 = 4096 colours are possible. Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Chris Ovenden wrote: Interesting issue, and one I haven't given much thought to before. For what it's worth I only use the colour keywords 'black' and 'white' (no argument about what these mean!) But what about the three-digit hex contractions - ie #363 instead of #336633? I love other CSS

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Interesting issue, and one I haven't given much thought to before. For what it's worth I only use the colour keywords 'black' and 'white' (no argument about what these mean!) I do pretty much the same, though in tests and examples, 'red', 'yellow'

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
: Chris Ovenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility Interesting issue, and one I haven't given much thought to before. For what it's worth I only

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can be no misunderstanding when parsing on the client browser. Some browsers render grey (for example) differently but if you use

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: The more convincing answer for my question (http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/86680) I've got on a WAI list. David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can be no

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: Number color CSS value is consistent across browsers and colour values isn't. Mauricio, 'red' is always #ff. f is the largest number expressible in an integer on the hexadecimal scale. 0 is the lowest. #ff000 translates as rgb(255,0,0), which translates as

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) I don't think it was a typo but a reference to a typo, i.e. to the effects of a misspelled color name. If you specified a color name (one of the 17 valid colors keywords on the Specs) browsers

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: On 3/30/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like colour is, or couleur, or Farbe.

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 30 Mar 2007, at 12:05:07, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: If you specified a color name (one of the 17 valid colors keywords on the Specs) browsers can render it slightly different (i.e. red (or other color name) is more ou less darken according the browser). This can broken the contrast

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Incidentally, the gray/grey issue isn't helped by the fact that Netscape Navigator had an extensive list of colour names, which included both gray and lightgrey - the story I heard back in the day was that an English developer had been involved in implementing that

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 30 Mar 2007, at 14:26:14, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Incidentally, the gray/grey issue isn't helped by the fact that Netscape Navigator had an extensive list of colour names, which included both gray and lightgrey - the story I heard back in the day was that an

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like colour is, or couleur, or Farbe. I'm well aware of this. But I have to deal with typing

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Bryan Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ovenden wrote: On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: browsers nowadays support both lightgrey and lightgray for backwards compatibility... although none of those extended colour names appear in any formal spec relating to CSS, so that's OT. http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#svg-color Ah, there they

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Venditelli, Daniel - Web Development Administrator
Funny, even though I'm on this side of the pond, I've never been able to write that shade as gray - always looked wrong to me... guess that's why I always use the hex values. Though it certainly confuses family when I say, is my #555 and black jacket still at the cleaners? - daniel the colonies

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-29 Thread kieron.mcintyre
Hi Mauricio, So, why avoid colors names if they are legal according CSS21 specs? The color names are deprecated in the same sense that certain HTML tags and attributes are. This doesn't mean that they won't continue to be supported by browsers but what W3C recommomend, i.e. hex values, will

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-29 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The color names are deprecated in the same sense that certain HTML tags and attributes are. No, they are not. There are explicit statements in HTML specifications saying that some elements and attributes and usages are deprecated. There is

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-29 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
Hi Kieron, Are colors names deprecated? So, why color names are on CSS3 Specs? http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-iccprof#colorunits Maurício Samy Silva http://www.maujor.com/ Hi Mauricio, So, why avoid colors names if they are legal according CSS21 specs? The color names are deprecated in the same

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-29 Thread Kieron McIntyre
Of Jukka K. Korpela Sent: 29 March 2007 16:49 To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The color names are deprecated in the same sense that certain HTML tags and attributes

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-29 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Kieron McIntyre wrote: Actually, what the WAI define and what is defined in the CSS specifications are two completely separate things. Just because the CSS 2 and 3 specifications state that colour names CAN be used doesn't mean that they SHOULD be used. That is correct.