[css-d] IE7 Oddness - links aren't visible...

2007-03-30 Thread Toby Parent
On this page, in Firefox, you'll see two buttons on the top of the navigation menu. A resize and a hide button. They aren't there in IE7 (can't really test earlier browsers, but I suspect the same). The page is at http://www.arcelectricalinc.com/prototest.html , and I'm just... stumped. Any

Re: [css-d] Centered div jumps in Firefox, not IE

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Salt
On 29 Mar 2007, at 23:59, James Eaton wrote: In Firefox a centered div on a page will move left or right, depending on whether vertical scroll bars appear in the browser window, while in IE it remains in one place. Is there a workaround for this in Firefox?

Re: [css-d] IE7 Oddness - links aren't visible...

2007-03-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Toby Parent wrote: On this page, in Firefox, you'll see two buttons on the top of the navigation menu. A resize and a hide button. They aren't there in IE7 (can't really test earlier browsers, but I suspect the same). The page is at http://www.arcelectricalinc.com/prototest.html , and

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Chris Ovenden wrote: Interesting issue, and one I haven't given much thought to before. For what it's worth I only use the colour keywords 'black' and 'white' (no argument about what these mean!) But what about the three-digit hex contractions - ie #363 instead of #336633? I love other CSS

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Interesting issue, and one I haven't given much thought to before. For what it's worth I only use the colour keywords 'black' and 'white' (no argument about what these mean!) I do pretty much the same, though in tests and examples, 'red', 'yellow'

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
The more convincing answer for my question (http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/86680) I've got on a WAI list. David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can be no misunderstanding when parsing on the client

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can be no misunderstanding when parsing on the client browser. Some browsers render grey (for example) differently but if you use

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: The more convincing answer for my question (http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/86680) I've got on a WAI list. David White said: ...The point about using numbers (I.e. Hex values) instead of names is purely so that there can be no

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) on the David answer the point is: If you specified a color name (one of the 17 valid colors keywords on the Specs) browsers can render it slightly different (i.e. red (or other color name) is more ou less darken according the browser). This can

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! -- Chris Ovenden http://thepeer.blogspot.com Imagine all the people / Sharing all the world

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: Number color CSS value is consistent across browsers and colour values isn't. Mauricio, 'red' is always #ff. f is the largest number expressible in an integer on the hexadecimal scale. 0 is the lowest. #ff000 translates as rgb(255,0,0), which translates as

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) I don't think it was a typo but a reference to a typo, i.e. to the effects of a misspelled color name. If you specified a color name (one of the 17 valid colors keywords on the Specs) browsers

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: On 3/30/07, Mauricio Samy Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart the 'probably' typo (grey instead of gray) Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like colour is, or couleur, or Farbe.

Re: [css-d] Centered div jumps in Firefox, not IE

2007-03-30 Thread grovesdavid
Greg Salt wrote: In Firefox a centered div on a page will move left or right, depending on whether vertical scroll bars appear in the browser window, while in IE it remains in one place. Is there a workaround for this in Firefox? http://zolx.com/provenpropertymanagement/test1.php

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 30 Mar 2007, at 12:05:07, Mauricio Samy Silva wrote: If you specified a color name (one of the 17 valid colors keywords on the Specs) browsers can render it slightly different (i.e. red (or other color name) is more ou less darken according the browser). This can broken the contrast

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Incidentally, the gray/grey issue isn't helped by the fact that Netscape Navigator had an extensive list of colour names, which included both gray and lightgrey - the story I heard back in the day was that an English developer had been involved in implementing that

[css-d] changing the containing block for width reference

2007-03-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Hi all, I'm suffering from a cold, which often results in me thinking and doing very ridiculous things. So, I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious in regards to CSS for a page I'm working on. I just need to confirm that there is no way to change the containing block that

Re: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference

2007-03-30 Thread Ian Young
To: CSS List Subject: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference Hi all, I'm suffering from a cold, which often results in me thinking and doing very ridiculous things. So, I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious in regards to CSS for a page I'm working

Re: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference

2007-03-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: I'm suffering from a cold, which often results in me thinking and doing very ridiculous things. So, I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious in regards to CSS for a page I'm working on. I just need to confirm

Re: [css-d] Centered div jumps in Firefox, not IE

2007-03-30 Thread ~davidLaakso
James Eaton wrote: In Firefox a centered div on a page will move left or right, depending on whether vertical scroll bars appear in the browser window, while in IE it remains in one place. Is there a workaround for this in Firefox? http://zolx.com/provenpropertymanagement/test1.php

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 30 Mar 2007, at 14:26:14, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Incidentally, the gray/grey issue isn't helped by the fact that Netscape Navigator had an extensive list of colour names, which included both gray and lightgrey - the story I heard back in the day was that an

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like colour is, or couleur, or Farbe. I'm well aware of this. But I have to deal with typing

Re: [css-d] CSS IE6 Dropdown Issues

2007-03-30 Thread SKugler
Ingo, Absolutely brilliant. Not only did it work, but I think I actually understood what was going on. I haven't had a chance to test it, but I bet this would solve my February post regarding a similar problem with submenu flyouts appearing behind the dropdowns in IE7. Many many thanks. I was

[css-d] IE 6/7 layout issue

2007-03-30 Thread Dave Goodchild
URL: http://dontjustsitthere.co.uk/stage/ There is a layout issue in IE6/7 - the container holding the T-shirt content is dropping. I tried using display:inline and position:relative to appease any IE bugs to no avail. Any suggestions? -- http://www.web-buddha.co.uk

Re: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference

2007-03-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Note that I am *not* referring to a containing block for the sake of positioning (for in that case, it is possible and quite easy to change the containing block). Rather, I'm interested in whether it is

[css-d] (no subject)

2007-03-30 Thread r paterso
Hello,I am trying to insert a background image into URLs that link to pages outside our intranet and thus when clicked open a new window. The image used is the common one seen on may sites, the little overlapping windows. This code:a.newWindow { padding-right: 14px; background:

[css-d] Unordered Lists in IE7 -- Text-align

2007-03-30 Thread Clarence A. Reber III
http://www.exprescafe.com/order.php http://www.exprescafe.com/css/xpr18.css In IE7, the ul smashes into the left side of the div eliminating the list markers and the indent that it should have. The CSS that causes this is the text-align: left;command that I use in the class

[css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread kdavis
Hi, all- I'm trying to style a sub-navigation list on my pages using DW MX 2004 and have found good information about how to do it by styling the ul element (A List Apart- Taming Lists); but I still have a question (which is probably stupid), but I'm hoping to be enlightened here- Question: if

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread Bradley Wright
On 30 Mar 2007, at 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Should I create a class to attach to the ul?) The short answer is yes, but a better (longer) answer is you should use an ID, since there's only likely to be one instance of it per page.

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Chris Ovenden
On 3/30/07, Bryan Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ovenden wrote: On 3/30/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Chris Ovenden wrote: Yeah, it was a bit hard hearing the (UK) English word described as malformed! Yet it is, in CSS. Just like

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: browsers nowadays support both lightgrey and lightgray for backwards compatibility... although none of those extended colour names appear in any formal spec relating to CSS, so that's OT. http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#svg-color Ah, there they

Re: [css-d] CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Venditelli, Daniel - Web Development Administrator
Funny, even though I'm on this side of the pond, I've never been able to write that shade as gray - always looked wrong to me... guess that's why I always use the hex values. Though it certainly confuses family when I say, is my #555 and black jacket still at the cleaners? - daniel the colonies

Re: [css-d] pros and cons of separate css files for IE and non-IE?

2007-03-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
George Ornbo wrote: On 3/28/07, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use a common style sheet, with one (or more) second IE-only stylesheets linked into the HTML via conditional comments. No hacks needed. I'd second that. Try and avoid hacks entirely if you can. The box model hack is

[css-d] ADMIN Re: CSS color names values versus accessibility

2007-03-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Let's make sure that this thread stays on topic. Please no more posts about: -- the various spelling of words in the USA versus the UK -- what may or may not be included in CSS 3 -- anything else off-topic It's fine to discuss the accessibility implications of certain CSS rules, but please do

Re: [css-d] Centered div jumps in Firefox, not IE

2007-03-30 Thread Jim
- Original Message - From: Greg Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] Centered div jumps in Firefox, not IE On 29 Mar 2007, at 23:59, James Eaton wrote: In Firefox a centered

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread kdavis
(Should I create a class to attach to the ul?) The short answer is yes, but a better (longer) answer is you should use an ID, since there's only likely to be one instance of it per page. Thank you, so then it would be (for instance) ul id=sub-menu-page class=sub-menu-page li

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread Don - HtmlFixIt.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Should I create a class to attach to the ul?) The short answer is yes, but a better (longer) answer is you should use an ID, since there's only likely to be one instance of it per page. Thank you, so then it would be (for instance) ul id=sub-menu-page

Re: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference

2007-03-30 Thread david
Ian Young wrote: To: CSS List Subject: [css-d] changing the containing block for width reference Hi all, I'm suffering from a cold, which often results in me thinking and doing very ridiculous things. So, I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something very obvious in regards to CSS for a

[css-d] Auto-Response

2007-03-30 Thread robertson
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[css-d] IE 6/7 issue

2007-03-30 Thread Tom Livingston
Hi list, Here's the page: http://proof.mlinc.com/mlinc.com/06/news/ Hit it in FF/Safari for desired layout for head/paragraph relation. Why won't it work in IE 6/7? Just can't see it. Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx:

Re: [css-d] (no subject)

2007-03-30 Thread francky
r paterso wrote: Hello,I am trying to insert a background image into URLs that link to pages outside our intranet and thus when clicked open a new window. The image used is the common one seen on may sites, the little overlapping windows. This code: a.newWindow { padding-right: 14px;

Re: [css-d] IE 6/7 layout issue

2007-03-30 Thread Lori Lay
Dave Goodchild wrote: URL: http://dontjustsitthere.co.uk/stage/ There is a layout issue in IE6/7 - the container holding the T-shirt content is dropping. I tried using display:inline and position:relative to appease any IE bugs to no avail. Any suggestions? Actually, all of your

Re: [css-d] IE 6/7 issue

2007-03-30 Thread Tom Livingston
On 3/30/07, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, Here's the page: http://proof.mlinc.com/mlinc.com/06/news/ Hit it in FF/Safari for desired layout for head/paragraph relation. Why won't it work in IE 6/7? Just can't see it. Thanks -- Always happens to me. When i enlist

Re: [css-d] IE7 dropdown submenu shows behind menu

2007-03-30 Thread SKugler
This fix by Ingo Chao for a related problem with IE6 also cures this one. _ skugler at kepcopower.com wrote: Dropdown navigation on www.kepcopower.com/index-chargers.htm works fine in Firefox and Mozilla, but in IE6, the dropdowns get covered by (are behind) the

Re: [css-d] Unordered Lists in IE7 -- Text-align

2007-03-30 Thread francky
Clarence A. Reber III wrote: http://www.exprescafe.com/order.php http://www.exprescafe.com/css/xpr18.css In IE7, the ul smashes into the left side of the div eliminating the list markers and the indent that it should have. The CSS that causes this is the text-align: left;command

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread kdavis
http://www.tizag.com/cssT/class.php http://www.tizag.com/cssT/cssid.php might be helpful for example. Thanks for these links! They clarify this topic. I can see I need to take the tutorials there and will do so. Thanks again. Karen

[css-d] css and DW MX 2004 Styles Panel

2007-03-30 Thread kdavis
I'm trying to apply what I am learning from this list (which is a lot!), but having to use Dreamweaver MX 2004. I can't seem to find how to create the list selector rules suing their CSS styles panel in Deamweaver MX 2004. I'm wondering; would you advise me to code my style sheet *by hand* and

Re: [css-d] css and DW MX 2004 Styles Panel

2007-03-30 Thread Lori Lay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to apply what I am learning from this list (which is a lot!), but having to use Dreamweaver MX 2004. I can't seem to find how to create the list selector rules suing their CSS styles panel in Deamweaver MX 2004. I'm wondering; would you advise me to code

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread david
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Should I create a class to attach to the ul?) The short answer is yes, but a better (longer) answer is you should use an ID, since there's only likely to be one instance of it per page. Thank you, so then it would be (for instance) ul id=sub-menu-page

Re: [css-d] styling a ul

2007-03-30 Thread Kisan Bhat
On 3/31/07, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Should I create a class to attach to the ul?) The short answer is yes, but a better (longer) answer is you should use an ID, since there's only likely to be one instance of it per page. No, you only need the ID on the

[css-d] CSS borders

2007-03-30 Thread Doug Niven
Hi Folks, I hate to ask such a seemingly simple question but I've spent a few hours trying to make this work and have run out of ideas. I'm trying to create table borders inside and out 1px thick, like the following: http://stinkyrat.com/css_borders.html The above is a graphic done in

Re: [css-d] CSS borders

2007-03-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 31, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Doug Niven wrote: I hate to ask such a seemingly simple question but I've spent a few hours trying to make this work and have run out of ideas. I'm trying to create table borders inside and out 1px thick, like the following:

Re: [css-d] CSS borders

2007-03-30 Thread Lori Lay
Doug Niven wrote: Hi Folks, I hate to ask such a seemingly simple question but I've spent a few hours trying to make this work and have run out of ideas. I'm trying to create table borders inside and out 1px thick, like the following: http://stinkyrat.com/css_borders.html The above is a

[css-d] broken son of sucker fish menu

2007-03-30 Thread Don - HtmlFixIt.com
Ok so I managed to break it ... seems to work in ff just fine, but has a sticky problem in ie7. If you hover slowly right over the left/right divider, it will sometimes hang so that the hover pop-up doesn't disappear. http://ownersconnect.com/dev/index5.html I am obviously doing something