Hi, could someone please tell me why this page
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html,
grows when I scroll in IE ?
Christopher
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=pixelsHeight of #capsule is span
class=pxValue/span/div
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
The capsule div is not growing when you simply scroll the page in
IE10 as you would when you scroll any page
I'm looking for a Chrome Extension to save my design as a PSD to
complete it ?
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Hi, how come the font-size is smaller in FireFox compared to Chrome and
IE, which is displaying the font size correctly. I want to change the
line spacing for the UL, is there a more elegant way then just
{line-spacing} ?
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Felix, what do you mean by DE DPI ? I thought doing fonts in EM was a
good thing ? :)
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I changed my font-size to pixels, yet the fonts still look smaller in
FireFox then Chrome or IE (site
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html),
probably something else wrong ?
Why is the CSS Mailing List sending me a digest instead of individual
messages
Hi, Tom. You are seeing no difference in Font Sizes between browsers,
hrmm odd. I don't have Scale Text Only enabled within FireFox (27.0.1).
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
I changed my font-size to pixels, yet
David Hucklesby - I added {font-family:serif;} considering serif is on all
window computers. The font sizes remain different in firefox compared to IE.
Arghh !
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Here is the updated link
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html.
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't look
right
with a Firefox update.
Anyhow I changed the default font to, Times New Roman and the font sizes
look identical to that of Chrome and IE.
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style
...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or nothing at
all ?
I changed nothing.
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Did you edit browser default style sheets at all? Browser extensions,
like
It looks identical, did you change any rule in the style sheet or
nothing at all ?
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the updated link.
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Crest
Zoom and Text scaling is at 100% in all browsers. Arghh the text won't
look right in FireFox, I don't understand, I was expecting this in IE,
not firefox.
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
David Hucklesby - I added
Thank You for the help !
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a question, how come when I hover over the word 'gallery' the word
tutorial changes color as set for the hover rule. How do I confined the
anchor size
Hi, I can successfully change the line height for {h3.contact a:
font-size:7em;line-height:40%;} but when I add line-height to
{h3.gallery a:hover - color:orange;line-height: 40%;} nothing changes.
I know I can change the line height for the list with {nav li}. I want
a little more control
is
displayed in Standards Compliant Web Browsers.
Same thing with CSS. It should also be validated. I haven't done it
but you get the idea.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Tom Livingston
I want to remove the space between gallery tutorials which only
exists in Chrome :-(
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I want the word 'gallery' to rotate when hovered and the words Art/Art2,
which are suppose to be individual anchor links, but I haven't added them.
The CSS3 rotation transition is not working out, as I thought it would.
The word 'gallery' flickers ?
(I only have vendor prefixes for Chrome, I
Hi, I want the word gallery to rotate vertically then reveal
Art/Art2. Currently I only have in place vendor prefixes for Chrome, if
you view the link in any browser other then Chrome all you will see is
blue h3 tag Art / Art2 overlapping the word gallery, and you may say
to me, uhh your
A little Note:
I'm not getting any messages from css-digest, the only one I get is
this one ?
Georg wrote:
Den 22.03.2014 22:39, skrev Karl DeSaulniers:
Hey Georg, Thanks again for this example! Had a quick question. For
some reason, if the outer boxes min-width is less then the totall
Em are the best solution for font-sizes, from everything that I know.
Pixels I don't know if pixels should be used at all and percentages from
what I know are relative to the browser size, is this correct or am I
mis-understanding something.
I'm not studying typography, maybe there are some
Tim Climis wrote:
On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:24:14 PM Crest Christopher wrote:
Em are the best solution for font-sizes, from everything that I know.
Pixels I don't know if pixels should be used at all and percentages from
what I know are relative to the browser size, is this correct
I think percentages are based on their parents size and not the browser.
What do you mean ?
Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
On Apr 8, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Crest Christophercrestchristop...@gmail.com
wrote:
Tim Climis wrote:
On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:24:14 PM Crest Christopher wrote:
Em
Here is something for the day
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qeaPTdWSgXo/UVVuFe80bvI/U1o/D0zkQ_7XZBw/w640-h480-no/Q3cUg29.gif.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qeaPTdWSgXo/UVVuFe80bvI/U1o/D0zkQ_7XZBw/w640-h480-no/Q3cUg29.gif
I thought Opera went to webkit, or is Blink just another term for webkit ?
Georg wrote:
Den 09.04.2014 17:00, skrev GJim:
I have found an issue with Opera (v12.16 is installed) when using
'small' vs %.
Note that Opera v/12.16 uses the old Presto engine, for which all
development is
I'm trying to compose a CSS3 3D Rotate Effect, whereas when you hover
over the word Gallery it reveals the word Art / Art2. I've had the
plevlidge of some help, but was unable to understand why it wasn't
working. I thought like some other CSS properties applying some vendor
prefixes related
If you create a 1200px layout grid in photoshop, how do you translate
that when developing for retina, when retina requires all images be
double the size ?
Strictly creating the divs the size of the images, that would require
that you get the measurements of every graphic, is there a step
Hi, can I ask anyone on this list about a bookmark syncing cloud system,
or no ? I'm going to lean towards no !
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I'm trying to get some placeholder text to style. I've done the
following but it's not working in FireFox 30.o ?
-moz-#message.placeholder {color:blue;} /*Style Placeholder ?*/
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Ah, it worked. The vendor prefix after the selector. Thanks :)
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
#message::-moz-placeholder { color: blue; }
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Hi, I can't solve why a struggle is required to get the cursor into the
input email field area. You have to scroll down to the bottom of the
page. Placing the cursor in the Name input field works fluid, placing
the cursor in the Email field is a struggle. I moved the Email Label by
2px to
I've had to restyle my form and it has caused the validator to inform me
I'm not allowed to use p as a child element of a label tag ?
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, that is the information I strictly understood, as it was
direct !
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2014-07-09 20:58, Crest Christopher wrote:
I've had to restyle my form and it has caused the validator to inform me
I'm not allowed to use p as a child element of a label tag ?
The information is correct, see
Thanks ! I'll use spans within labels at any, and all times :)
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2014-07-09 21:30, Crest Christopher wrote:
* What you should depends on the context and purpose, like what you
are using label for, why it should contain a paragraph, and how do
you wish to style
Do you mean form ?
Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
At 14:08 -0400 on 07/09/2014, Tom Livingston wrote about Re: [css-d] P
tag can't be child of label ?:
If you wrap the input with the label, you can leave off the
'for' attribute (just read that... had no idea about that one!).
The use of the
I'm confused, I was using the for attribute;
label for=email id=mailspan class=mailemail/span/label
???
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg
webdesig...@rarpsl.com wrote:
At 14:08 -0400 on 07/09/2014, Tom Livingston wrote about Re: [css-d] P tag
can't be
I have a vendor prefix for a placeholder for both Chrome and FireFox,
the same values for both, except FireFox displays a font-size of 3em
larger then Chrome ?
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Your example; didn't show a difference, the font-size in FireFox
continues to be larger.
Christopher !
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
I have a vendor prefix for a placeholder for both Chrome and FireFox,
the same values for both, except FireFox displays a font-size of 3em
larger then Chrome ?
I'll provide the site; scroll to the bottom. Compare in Chrome and FireFox.
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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2014-07-17 6:58, Crest Christopher wrote:
Your example; didn't show a difference, the font
Large ? What is the size you want ?
Christopher
John wrote:
back at this site: http://www.coffeeonmars.com/170_su/template/home.html
I am trying to adjust space to the left to be 1.25em but on some items, like
#header-logo a value of padding-left1.25em produces a space to the eye that
A 120% font-size is 140%, correct ? I rather verify then assume I
understand it correctly !
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, John wrote:
On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Large ? What is the size you want ?
I am hoping that ems
Now you confused me ?
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Crest Christopher wrote:
A 120% font-size is 140%, correct ? I rather verify then assume I
understand it correctly !
No. 120% is 120%, i.e. 20% larger than the body (actually than its
container's) size. 140% is 40
Is this a golden rule, 1em = 16px ? If the math is 120 * 16 = 1920 px or
rounded down as mentioned 19px, correct ?
Tom Livingston wrote:
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Now you confused me ?
ems are relative to font size.
Given
A font-size of 120% is 19px, is my math correct ?
Tom Livingston wrote:
I don't know about golden, but it equal to the browser default which,
if unchanged, is usually 16px.
On Thursday, July 24, 2014, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote
Whoa, I haven't kept track of this question due to other projects and a
new smart phone (too nice, might I add), and look at the replies.
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2014-07-26 21:40 (GMT-0400) Chris Rockwell composed:
... the original reason was to fix
some ie6/7 issues with em scaling.
Hence
Thanks, didn't know there was a float:bottom, few other things as well.
Chris Rockwell wrote:
If you haven't seen this yet, it's worth the read and play time:
http://alistapart.com/blog/post/ten-css-one-liners-to-replace-native-apps
Chris Rockwell
The W3C Validator is handing me this error; I can't decode what it means
? I read I should replace with a div but must I ?
Section lacks heading. Consider using h2-h6 elements to add identifying
headings to all sections.
| section class=contactme**|
section. I pretty sure
section has to have a heading of some kind.h1 orheader etc.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
The W3C Validator is handing me this error; I can't decode what it means ? I
read I should replace with adiv but must I
Try Adobe Fonts, which are paid, or google, either of those you can link
to the font. If you want to host yourself, try font-squirrel for
royalty free images etc.
Stuart King wrote:
Hi CSSer's:
I cannot figure out why the web font does not work for the body text. I an
using Century Gothic.
I have it fixed, thanks !
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2014-07-31 3:59, Crest Christopher wrote:
The W3C Validator is handing me this error;
It is a warning, not an error message. But HTML validation in general
is off-topic for this list, which is about practical use of CSS.
For issues
I've understood grids, yet I haven't. My personal site I don't use
grids, I place things how most people view a site, and what they would
see first, second and third, if they need the third. If someone came to
me and said I have a 4 column, 12 pixel grid, I wouldn't know how to lay
it out,
What do you mean by live text ?
Christopher
Tom Livingston wrote:
color: $lightblue
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There is a jQuery load() command that is changing my font and pages
background when the event is triggered. I know this issue is not
completely CSS related, I want to know if this is a DOM issue, it
doesn't seem to be, because the script loads after the DOM has completed ?
Hi, thank you for your help.
If you don't mind visiting this page, followed by clicking on the word
tutorials. There are two issues, first being the background the font
size change, there is actually three issues, those are the first two,
the third is the page that is loaded via jQuery
I found these rules for styling an iFrame scroll bar, they are suppose
to work in all browsers, not only IE. Unfortunately these rules are not
working in Chrome ?
1. |html, body {|
2. |scrollbar-face-color: #D9DEE1;|
3. |scrollbar-highlight-color: #D9DEE1;|
4. |scrollbar-shadow-color:
Span tags inside an H1 is suppose to help SEO, that would be news to me !
John wrote:
On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Crest Christophercrestchristop...@gmail.com
wrote:
The H2 in your #taglinebox couldn't that be put in ap tag, it's quite small
text ?
Absolutely, it could, and I tried
I wanted to make a flat, simple style color, even you Philippe would
like the subtle change I would do :-) Since I can't change iFrame Scroll
bar, and there is no other alternative, I'll have to be happy with the
defaults !
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
Le 18 sept. 2014 à 00:28, Crest
There needs to be a guideline on EM's REM's what about using them for
positioning. I was helped from someone on this list with that a few
weeks ago regarding using them as positioning.
This topic re-surfaces quite frequently, there should be some
guidelines, then if the developer wants to
The image is suppose to be seen, but it's not seen because the display
is set to none, but it's in a H1 so it works for SEO, but the image
doesn't display, hrm ?
Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
On Sep 17, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Tim Climistim.cli...@gmail.com wrote:
h1 span{
display:none;
}
prevents
I have an opening and closing iframe tag, but the validator is giving
this error;
Saw when expecting an attribute name. Probable cause: Missing
immediately before.
My code:
iframe class= src=div/div/iframe
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There is a .div class that contains the iframe !
Tom Livingston wrote:
Anything in the structure BEFORE the iframe amiss?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an opening and closing iframe tag, but the validator is giving this
error;
Saw
Hi, I've been understanding the pseudo-class elements, I like their
functionality. I have a question, here is an code example
http://jsfiddle.net/bpL490pn/embedded/result/, which is the first-child ?
And are there any tools that aid in helping you know what is the first
child, decedent
The first child of my example, I linked too.
Philip Taylor wrote:
Crest Christopher wrote:
Hi, I've been understanding the pseudo-class elements, I like their
functionality. I have a question, here is an code example
http://jsfiddle.net/bpL490pn/embedded/result/, which is the first-child
available, try MDN:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:first-child
On Sep 26, 2014 9:40 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
The first child of my example, I linked too.
Philip Taylor wrote:
Crest Christopher
::First-child of the body, not of the div#t3, news to me. You can't
have ::first-child of the div#t3, it is always of the body ?
::first-child {outline dotted lime;} didn't display ?
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
Le 26 sept. 2014 à 22:36, Crest Christophercrestchristop...@gmail.com a
écrit :
Here http://jsfiddle.net/bpL490pn/1/.
Philip Taylor wrote:
Crest Christopher wrote:
The first child of my example which I linked to !
Philip Taylor wrote:
Which is the first child of /what/ ? It is necessary to select an
element before it is possible to meaningfully use the term first
Is there a time to use two colons and is there a time to use one colon ?
Philip Taylor wrote:
Crest Christopher wrote:
Herehttp://jsfiddle.net/bpL490pn/1/.
Right, so I see two intended first-child rules there :
::first-child {ouline:1px dotted lime;}
#t3 p::first-child{color:red
When using a Grid FrameWork must you keep all the column classes and
gutters or that is only needed when designing ?
I don't understand about grids, columns and gutters is if you use a grid
template with the columns and gutters within Ps and place your graphics
on the grid template, what good
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When using a Grid FrameWork must you keep all the column classes and
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Friday, October 03, 2014 3:54 PM
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Crest Christopher
I do not use a framework or official grid system like 960.gs and
similar. One could argue that my home-grown established starting point
2, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Crest Christopher
I do not use a framework or official grid system like 960.gs and
similar. One could argue that my home-grown established starting point
for webpages is a framework of sorts, but I'm not so sure. I call it a
template.
When I get a design to start building, I
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When using a Grid FrameWork must you keep all the column classes and
gutters or that is only needed when designing ?
I don't
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When using a Grid FrameWork must you keep all the column classes and
gutters or that is only needed when
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Monday, October 06, 2014 1:18 AM
I
Do you mean, will this site be displayed on mobile ?
Philip Taylor mailto:p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk
Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:24 AM
What is its behaviour intended to be, Christopher, when the browser
window is less than 960 px wide ?
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I created a starting point of a quasi web site, if I was using the 960
grid system
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I created a starting point
Would anyone be willing to create a video on when they are using a grid
frame work how they begin, up to atleast half way of the development
process ?
Philip Taylor mailto:p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk
Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:20 AM
Crest Christopher wrote:
No, I mean exactly what I said
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Crest Christopher wrote:
No, I mean exactly what I said : what is your intended behaviour if
the page is displayed in a browser window that is narrower than 960px ?
Crest Christopher
I have a css grid question, using this image
http://www.webdesignerwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/978-grid.gif
as an example. The 12 columns, including the gutters is a row correct ?
I understand that you can span your content, or images, which must never
have a width, XX number of
to
columns to touch each other.
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Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:28 PM
I have a css grid question, using this image
http://www.webdesignerwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/978-grid.gif
as an example. The 12 columns, including the gutters is a row correct
? I
I have one concern when designing a responsive site, should I, as
primarily a designer but unlike many designers not restricted to design
and know how to code, be wild with my design, or is there restrictions I
should set on myself when designing ?
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Hi, some responsive grid systems have a series of style sheets that
range from two columns up to twelve columns. How do I know how many
columns my design has, or how can I know ?
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I was expecting a different answer ;-) Thanks !
Christopher
Norman Fournier mailto:nor...@normanfournier.com
Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:13 PM
Hello,
Take screen shots of the grid and your design and overlay one on top
of the other in Photoshop, and see where they align. That should give
If I want to use images on a responsive site, the images should be in
the largest size possible then set the style to {max-width:100%} ? If
they are not the largest size possible and the page is viewed at 1700px
by 1450px (fictional resolution, I didn't verify if it is a logical
resolution)
Swapping will require more page requests from the server. The other
solution mentioned requires by default a 5K image if you go by the
highest screen possible, just so you can scale down appropriately
without blurred images.
I suppose gone are the days I could find an image at 800x600 do
Most of the internet, if not all would choke a 2400 baud modem. I
remember when I got my 28.8 !
Christopher
Norman Fournier mailto:nor...@normanfournier.com
Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:35 AM
Real chokepoint on a 2400 baud modem.
Karl DeSaulniers mailto:k...@designdrumm.com
Thursday,
I'd like to read the article, when you find the link.
There is only one issue, if I'm doing my own custom design with a
smorgasbord of images etc. I have to find the largest, suppose a 5K
image, then do my design magic in Photoshop, then scale the design at
different resolutions. Question
Why do you recommend building mobile first ?
There is a pro and a con with swapping images, the pro, you can use
bitmap images, the con, you have to have, as I mentioned earlier, maybe
up to six different resolutions for your images. The CSS may be the
easiest to do, the hardest will be
to a psd.
I don't understand ?
Tom Livingston mailto:tom...@gmail.com
Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:17 PM
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you recommend building mobile first
, November 06, 2014 7:17 PM
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On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you recommend building mobile first ?
Aside from being best practice, it is much harder and requires more
code to achieve
@media is what you recommend for changing images based on browser size,
correct ?
Christpher ?
Crest Christopher mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com
Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:11 PM
Basically the web is becoming a billboard, if I want to design for 5K
I'd need a 5K image, from there I scale
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Crest Christopher mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com
Thursday, November 06, 2014 6:38 PM
Why do you recommend
What is the technology behind this scaling on the fly ? It's fluid
compared to image replacement.
Christopher
Philip Taylor mailto:p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk
Friday, November 07, 2014 3:56 AM
Crest Christopher wrote:
Why not scale on-the-fly ? Visit :
http://photos.for-charity.org/
click
...@rhul.ac.uk
Friday, November 07, 2014 9:08 AM
Crest Christopher wrote:
Bear in mind that that Asp.Net code is being run on a bog-standard
home PC, several years old, and uploaded on a slow ADSL link that can
manage barely 448kb uploads. If you found it fast even bearing those
facts in mind, think how
When using font sizes for mobile development, is there a limit to the
smallest size you can go before the responsiveness by the user becomes a
struggle then a pleasure to navigate ?
Christopher
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sizes for
mobile and the types of units to use. Hope it helps.
Personally, I prefer something like 16px with plenty of line spacing
to accomadate my large fingers.
Rod Castello
Crest Christopher mailto:crestchristop...@gmail.com
Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:35 PM
When using font sizes for mobile
I'm near completing my mobile design and I was hoping someone could take
a look and give some CC ?
Christopher
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