Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Felix Miata wrote: Keep in mind that the browser default size is akin to having zoomed in advance to the preferred or optimum personalized base text size. I find in practice that it is not. For this reason I have had to reduce my default font size from 20px to 16px and use per-site

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 19 avr. 2013 à 17:10, Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk a écrit : Sites that work fine with real zoom often break with default font size 16px. ‘Real’ zoom: is that ‘Page zoom’ or ‘Text zoom’ ? (afaik your preferred browser still has the 2 options) Sites are less likely to break with the

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-19 09:10 (GMT+0100) Philip TAYLOR composed: Felix Miata wrote: Keep in mind that the browser default size is akin to having zoomed in advance to the preferred or optimum personalized base text size. I find in practice that it is not. For this reason I have had to reduce my

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-19 17:25 (GMT+0900) Philippe Wittenbergh composed: Philip TAYLOR composed: Sites that work fine with real zoom often break with default font size 16px. ‘Real’ zoom: is that ‘Page zoom’ or ‘Text zoom’ ? (afaik your preferred browser still has the 2 options) Sites are less likely

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread david
On 04/18/2013 12:06 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: From what I know, that's based on the browser and the user prefs. On my Mac, using Firefox latest, there's a Fonts Colors section of in the prefs under Content. The default font size out-of-the-box is Times 16. Anecdote: I have an older friend, in

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 19 avr. 2013 à 18:28, david gn...@hawaii.rr.com a écrit : Now just imagine a visitor coming to your site using his or her Google Nexus 10 running at 2560x1600 resolution on a 10 diagonal display … 16px is going to be VERY TINY! No, not really. That device has a HiDPI screen. The

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread david
On 04/18/2013 11:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Le 19 avr. 2013 à 18:28, david gn...@hawaii.rr.com a écrit : Now just imagine a visitor coming to your site using his or her Google Nexus 10 running at 2560x1600 resolution on a 10 diagonal display … 16px is going to be VERY TINY! No, not

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-19 00:29 (GMT-1000) david composed: Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: david composed: Now just imagine a visitor coming to your site using his or her Google Nexus 10 running at 2560x1600 resolution on a 10 diagonal display … 16px is going to be VERY TINY! No, not really. That

[css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread COM
My understanding of font-size spec is: 100% = 1 em = the size of an M and that this is 16px high. What I am not clear is: where do you tell the browser how large the M is? Is it universally understood that 1 M is 16 pixels high? thank you! John

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Livingston
You can spec font-size of 100% on the body. This respects the users preference settings in their browser. You can then spec element font size in ems. The 16px is usually the default size set in browsers upon install.  — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:54 PM, COM

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Micky Hulse
From what I know, that's based on the browser and the user prefs. On my Mac, using Firefox latest, there's a Fonts Colors section of in the prefs under Content. The default font size out-of-the-box is Times 16. Anecdote: I have an older friend, in his 60s, that has this set to something like

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-04-19 0:54, COM wrote: My understanding of font-size spec is: 100% = 1 em = the size of an M and that this is 16px high. No, in the value of the font-size property, the em unit denotes the font size of the parent element. The font size is the height of the font. It is easy to see that

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, COM wrote: My understanding of font-size spec is: 100% = 1 em = the size of an M and that this is 16px high. 100% is the user's default font size. It could be anything from 12px to 24 px (or larger or smaller) and should be used for any body text on the page. What

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread COM
On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: What I am not clear is: where do you tell the browser how large the M is? You don't. The font designer decides the dimensions of letters, relative to the font size. OK…so the 1em is just a starting point and you

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Micky Hulse
You might find this tool interesting to play with: http://pxtoem.com/ The Learn tab has some OK info, and the math (for conversions) is good to know too. This article might also be of some interest to you: http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/font-size-with-rem

Re: [css-d] font-size in body selector?

2013-04-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-04-18 15:12 (GMT-0700) COM composed: OK…so the 1em is just a starting point and you adjust to suit..or these are all *relative* sizes because in the child elements you might spec font-size: .85em ? ..so that if User cranks up the sizes, everything sizes up (or down) in the same