Re: [css-d] Now why we want to use strong instead of b?

2007-08-27 Thread E Michael Brandt 
  I haven't quite figured out why codestrong/code came into use
  instead of codeb/code.


For semantic reasons.  The general meaning of b is stress this, 
which we display visually as enboldened print, but in a screen reader it 
is spoken more loudly.  To reflect this semantic meaning we are now use 
strong.  And with CSS we can now display strong as, for example red 
colored text rather than bold text if we wish.

Same argument goes for i / em.

(However, note that b and i are *not* deprecated and are fine to use 
when we do not MEAN strong or emphasis.  For example it is proper to use 
i for the title of a magazine article, or for foreign terms.  In these 
cases we use italics not to suggest stress, but just because that is the 
way Strunk and White tell us to format them.  There is no semantic 
meaning in these latter cases.)

Hope that clarifies a bit.

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Re: [css-d] Now why we want to use strong instead of b?

2007-08-27 Thread Jason Das 
 (However, note that b and i are *not* deprecated and are fine  
 to use
 when we do not MEAN strong or emphasis.  For example it is proper  
 to use
 i for the title of a magazine article, or for foreign terms.  In  
 these
 cases we use italics not to suggest stress, but just because that  
 is the
 way Strunk and White tell us to format them.  There is no semantic
 meaning in these latter cases.)


I use the cite tag for titles of books or the names of magazines  
(styleguides vary widely, but I always put the title of an article in  
quotes). This seems more correct than any other approach I've  
encountered. The definitions I've encountered for cite are often  
vague and weird. They seem to describe situations where q or  
blockquote would be a better choice - which leaves me feeling  
better about using cite for titles!

So, I use cite for titles that belong in italic text, em for  
emphasis, and i in cases of extreme laziness or maybe some oddball  
situations. Foreign terms are a good example - there's no  
particularly semantic tag for those, is there? (Yes, you could make a  
span class, but that's pretty annoying).

I don't use b for anything anymore and it's pretty rare that I find  
cases to use strong. (But I have a lot of elements with a font- 
weight: bold.) Does anyone find real uses for the b tag?

- Jason


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