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In a message dated 1/6/00 4:38:46 PM Central Standard Time,
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I don't want to argue theology. Religious mythology is not history. To keep
religion active and profitable means that there is a conspiracy afoot. The
conspiracy consists of people who make
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:40:31 -0500
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pennie hammons wrote:
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It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus the
Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to Roman
rule
and willing to rise up against them, rather than the peaceableness of
Christ's
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pennie hammons wrote:
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It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus the
Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to Roman
rule
and willing to rise up against
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Quick point of clarification:
In Christian tradition, the Immaculate Conception does not refer to
Jesus' conception. The I.C. refers to Mary, who, according to Church
doctrine, was conceived without the stain of original sin hence, not
automatically destined to die. This was
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Good point, June, didn't think about the heat. So that would mean LATE
summer or fall.
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pennie hammons wrote:
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He means that J was not a revolutionary against Judaism as is depicted in
the
NT. He WAS a great revolutionary against Rome. For this he was crucified.
There were only two scenarios that warranted crucifixion under the Romans.
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Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:
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From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not knowledgeable about the Jewish calendar (yet), but based upon
evidence in the New Testament Nativity stories, mainly the behavior of
the shepherds in Luke, Jesus would have been born
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From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It only takes a few days for lambs to become strong enough to pasture.
But more than a few days to become strong enough to keep up with a migrating
herd...
As for wintering in town... you are thinking like a Northerner. Winters
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From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good point, June, didn't think about the heat. So that would mean LATE
summer or fall.
As has been pointed out, the Bible DOES spell out when Jesus was born, if
one reads carefully -- namely, that Mary's cousin Elizabeth conceived John
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Please see my comments inserted below.
In a message dated 12/31/99 11:02:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Tenebrouse,
How can you say that any discussion of Jesus does not involve Conspiracy
Theory...?
I never said it didn't
Obviously, because
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From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not knowledgeable about the Jewish calendar (yet), but based upon
evidence in the New Testament Nativity stories, mainly the behavior of
the shepherds in Luke, Jesus would have been born sometime between
midsummer and mid-autumn. It
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I'm not knowledgeable about the Jewish calendar (yet), but based upon
evidence in the New Testament Nativity stories, mainly the behavior of
the shepherds in Luke, Jesus would have been born sometime between
midsummer and mid-autumn. It couldn't have been March, that would have
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--- "Tatman, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FWIW, in Robert Graves's *King Jesus*,
Thanks, Robert. I've added it to my "look-for-at-g-sales" list.
Tenorlove
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--- Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jesus was born of a virgin
This was added later because at the time (the early centuries CE/AD),
orthodox Christianity was competing with Mithraism, Manicheism, and
assorted pagan religions which incorporated a virgin birth into their
belief
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I'm not knowledgeable about the Jewish calendar (yet), but based upon
evidence in the New Testament Nativity stories, mainly the behavior
be THE
messiah...
He will make all your y2k nightmares and more, come true when it's
discovered who he really is.
eagle 1
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t presents an interesting
alternative to conventional scholarship.
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Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:08 AM
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As for Mary Magdalene, she is
entional scholarship.
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From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:08 AM
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As for Mary Magdalene, she is variously described in the Gospels as "a
sinn
killed or find a way to do it.
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From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 10:41 AM
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Sir, please find me one use of crucifixion by the Jews of anyone, be he
criminal, saint or heretic. The Romans crucified. Most of the hebrew nations
practiced public stoning—rather direct local action. I realize that you have
a problem with jews and other things you intend to
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Graves's
depiction is necessarily accurate, but it presents an interesting
alternative to conventional scholarship.
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From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:08 AM
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And you need to study history and Jewish beliefs
Jesus was adopted by Joseph. Joseph was a relitive of
King David.
Jews have the (L)ord and (l)ords.
The potential that Joseph would have to take the thrown
if the ones in front of him died.
So, Joseph was a (l)ord.
and Jesus was
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piper wrote:
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And you need to study history and Jewish beliefs
So do you. This stuff is drivel.
Joshua2
Jesus was adopted by Joseph. Joseph was a relitive of
King David.
Jews have the (L)ord and (l)ords.
The potential that Joseph would have to take
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Bill Kingsbury wrote:
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http://www.best.com/~dolphin/yeshua.html
IT'S TIME FOR ISRAELIS TO LEARN JESUS WAS JEWISH
[Excerpts from HA'ARETZ newspaper, Thursday, 23 December 1999]
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What matters more to you
1) if he was real or not
2) the mind set he taught
Our beliefs and religions seem to be tied
into what was happening at the time.
Human Sacrifice, the Circus, and temple
prostitute, the keepers of lost souls,
reincarnation, fertility mother.
Then we
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I suspect that this particular thread is starting to develop into another
Christian bashing personal row between some list members. I would like to
take this opportunity to step in and ask that everyone remember that there
are to be no personal attacks on this list, stick to
derstand. It is man who slices, dices and
confuses the issues.
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From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 11:25 AM
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I suspect that this particular thread is starting to develop into another
Christian bashing personal row between some list members. I would like to
take this opportunity to step
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And I ask you A BIG SO WHAT!!!
What are you looking for— to kowtow to some bloodline.
Your weak faith and reliance on parchmant for your relationship with God
suffers X. MHO.
Lord save us from bombastic shawl wearers.
Om
K
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are called upon to seek it. Mine has been laid for me, many moons
ago, and I've stayed with it, and have no plans to change now.
eagle 1
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http://www.best.com/~dolphin/yeshua.html
IT'S TIME FOR ISRAELIS TO LEARN JESUS WAS JEWISH
[Excerpts from HA'ARETZ newspaper, Thursday, 23 December 1999]
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Israeli pupils hear about Jesus only
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From: "Bill Kingsbury" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They did not know that he was a believing Jew, who was born,
according to historians in the year 4 BCE (and not in the year 0),
in Bethlehem, and that his mother's name was Miriam, that is, the
Virgin Mary.
Neither did the
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As for Mary Magdalene, she is variously described in the Gospels as "a
sinner" and "out of whom went seven devils." Her hometown, Magdala or
Migdal, was the headquarters for an Astarte cult that had a seven-stage
initiation. Astarte's mascot, like MM's, was the dove. IF MM was a
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