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By all State / National / International comparative achievement tests
performed over the past 30 years.
Which ones? Be specific or we may justifiably assume that you are making
it up.
I am not going to reinvent the wheel. These are basic facts well known
to
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By your logic, if it is alright for government to give vouchers to buy
one commodity it should be alright to give vouchers to buy any
commodity. Wheres my Sharper Image shopping voucher? Why arent
you agitating for that?
I agree. But since we have institutionalized a system
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Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I"
cannot be taken seriously.
i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least,
completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled
down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others
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- Original Message -
Your publisher may insist on some capitalization.
Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting
published...
June
A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
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CTRL is a discussion
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- Original Message -
Your publisher may insist on some capitalization.
Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting
published...
June
Don't encourage Alphabet Anarchists!
Ever hear of Jill Johnson? Years ago she used to write for
: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re:
[CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
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Er, inri, my children are Hispanic.
assuming you are a r
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On 29 Jan 01, at 14:42, flw wrote:
Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from
getting published... June
Not like you atall, June.
It's e.e.cummings and A.A. Milne.
Cummings is the poet.
Milne wrote Winnie the Pooh
sno0wl
A
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From: "Marilyn Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from
getting published... June
Not like you atall, June.
It's e.e.cummings and A.A. Milne.
Cummings is the poet.
Milne wrote Winnie the Pooh
Whatever. Lit was
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fair enough.
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From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By
School Vouchers???
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Anyone who doesn't know enough
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This is false. Many good quality private Catholic schools charge less
then $3000 per year. Many new start up inner city private schools now
charge less then $2500. Of course most Govt Schools now charge about
$10,000 per year.
Sources, please.
Nessie
This is basic
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dumber than ever
Says who? By what standards? Cite your sources.
By all State / National / International comparative achievement tests
performed over the past 30 years.
For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school,
it costs the Government School
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Taking even more money out of public education is not the answer. Taking
money out of the public education system can only make education more
iniquitous than it already is. This is the apparent, but hidden, agenda
of those who propose to do so. They are conspiring behind our
-Caveat Lector-
in closing, i'd like to offer my apologies for bringing these arguments
(which i tend to view similarly to an argument with a member of the flat
earth society - i was not expecting this to be an issue here) to the list
and my condolences for all of you unfortunate enough to
-Caveat Lector-
This is basic information available in any public library (or basic
Net Search).
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
That's an extremely lame excuse for having posted something porported to
be fact, but not proven. The burden of proof is on the person who
states an alleged fact. If you
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By all State / National / International comparative achievement tests
performed over the past 30 years.
Which ones? Be specific or we may justifiably assume that you are making
it up.
Again you make no sense. For every kid no longer attending Govt School
LESS public money is
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Nothing is more "classist" then the present Govt School System. The
children of the Elite attend excellent private schools. The children of
the middle class generally attend mediocre Govt Schools that are
continually declining in the quality of the eduation offered - at an
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Burden of Proof Nessie?
This is a Conspiracy Theory list...the Pope still believes the sun
travels about the earth - in the circuit of othe heavens.
This is a Conspiracy Theory List.speculation, based on facts, is
still theory.
As of late Einstein's "theory" is
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in closing, i'd like to offer my apologies for bringing these arguments
(which i tend to view similarly to an argument with a member of the flat
earth society - i was not expecting this to be an issue here) to the
list
and my condolences for all of you unfortunate enough
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This is a Conspiracy Theory list...the Pope still believes the sun
travels about the earth - in the circuit of othe heavens.
the pope also believes that some dude rose from the dead. talk about
conspiracy..
As of late Einstein's "theory" is being challenged which
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Er, inri, my children are Hispanic.
assuming you are a real person and not a name created by the government [you
don't think they don't moniter these places and post their bullshit here do
you?]
i seem to have made an unfair assumption.
however, hispanics can still be
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--- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why? because i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least,
completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled
down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to
be removed.
you
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Gee, most good private schools charge upward of $10-15,000 a
year per student. What good is a $1,500 voucher going to do to get
kids into "good" private schools?
And where will the country be when its children know their Bible
but can't study science because it contradicts their
-Caveat Lector-
Why do people equate "[educating] every single member to the greatest
extent of their ability" with maintaining the current public school
fiasco in many cities?
I don't. I do, however, recognize that taking money away from an already
cash strapped system
-Caveat Lector-
Gee, most good private schools charge upward of $10-15,000 a
year per student. What good is a $1,500 voucher going to do to get
kids into "good" private schools?
This is false. Many good quality private Catholic schools charge less then
$3000 per year. Many new start
-Caveat Lector-
This is false. Many good quality private Catholic schools charge less
then $3000 per year. Many new start up inner city private schools now
charge less then $2500. Of course most Govt Schools now charge about
$10,000 per year.
Sources, please.
A
-Caveat Lector-
dumber than ever
Says who? By what standards? Cite your sources.
For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school,
it costs the Government School System that much less.
For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school,
the public school
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The fact that PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS send their kids to private school
at a higher proportion then the general population says it even louder.
They use the Govt School System to earn a living off the taxpayer but
would never send their kids there.
Source, please. How many
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the numbers are a bit more complex than that
Indeed they are. For one thing, as you astutely pointed out, bias makes
the real figures difficult to ascertain. More important though, is that
the wrong thing is being measured. Comparing the rate at which public
teachers send their
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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT
By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector-
You might want to do a bit more research on vouchers
before
getting so upset. That is not the way they work and
they
WILL have the money to
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inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can
possibly have a very clear picture of the school system
here.
no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the average portrayed
intelligence by the americans i speak to online is any indication then you
guys really,
w: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will
MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector-
inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can
possibly have a very clear picture of the school system
here.
no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the
average por
- Original Message -
From: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School
Vouchers???
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because, otherwise, those who can't afford to pay for
their education won't
get on
-Caveat Lector-
would you care to describe to me the high standard of living I had as a
child?
Did you know me?
i don't need to. you were regularly fed and you recieved an education.
therefore, you had a much higher standard of living than most people on the
planet. you may take those two
-Caveat Lector-
You might want to do a bit more research on vouchers before
getting so upset. That is not the way they work and they
WILL have the money to use to educate their children in the
school of their choice. It will not require anybody to be
wealthy to educate their children as
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I live in a primarily white suburb; most of the people I know moved
here and paid for good schools, highe taxes than most suburban cities,
but it was to escape this black plague in the schools.
In other words, most whites fled from the cities to get away from these
-Caveat Lector-
I live in a state (New Jersey) where schools are funded by PROPERTY
taxes, not income or sales taxes, so those who own homes are
subsidizing renters (businesses, which include apartment buildings, are
taxed differently than residential properties, and businesses pay very
little
-Caveat Lector-
Why do people equate "[educating] every single member to the greatest
extent of their ability" with maintaining the current public school
fiasco in many cities?
I don't. I do, however, recognize that taking money away from an already
cash strapped system will only make it
-Caveat Lector-
Why should I be happy about my tax dollars supporting such an
enterprise?
What you should be unhappy about is that the tax money that could fix
the schools is being spent by the Pentagon on weapons for a war that
ended ten years ago.
I'm as unhappy about the Pentagon
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What I see out there are scores and hundreds of committed teachers and
administrators doing the best they can with what they have. I also see
truckloads of propaganda attempting to undermine the very fine work these
people do day after day and year after year.
I got a
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I know that not from reading Ayn Rand but from looking at the schools
where I greu up.
The ones who taught you to spell?
Well, a typo. The U and W are so close together on the keyboard it's easy
to
make a mistake.
they are? my keyboard says:
q W e r t y U i o p
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Well, a typo. The U and W are so close together on the keyboard it's easy
to
make a mistake.
they are? my keyboard says:
q W e r t y U i o p
not that i'm trying to pick on spelling (that's just silly).
i just don't like getting lied to, 'sall.
You've seen through
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I live in a primarily white suburb; most of the people I know moved
here and paid for good schools, highe taxes than most suburban cities,
but it was to escape this black plague in the schools.
snip pathetic racist garbage
i don't know whether to feel sorry for you or to
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--- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I live in a primarily white suburb; most of the people I know moved
here and paid for good schools, highe taxes than most suburban cities,
but it was to escape this black plague in the schools.
snip pathetic racist
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:19:56 EST, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said:
A-The Catholic church, as well as other Xian denominations.
Why?
A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a
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Jeff Russo wrote:
The education reform we need is something that will benefit ME: a total
elimination of public primary and secondary education. Then people like me...
childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that our
nonexistent children are not
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Jeff, I agree with you. I home school 2 children. I'd much rather pay
user fees for the library, field trips and the recreation center than
the $2800 in school taxes I paid last year.
Tenorlove
--- Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The education reform we
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childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that
our nonexistent children are not attending.
It is difficult to tell, without knowing you personally, whether you are
a supremely selfish person or merely shortsighted. I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt
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As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my education.
My parents, who certainly did not qualify as even middle class, paid for my
education twice ~$1500 a year for the private schools, and their taxes
while the public schools were sucking up $8K+ per
-Caveat Lector-
Jeff Russo wrote:
As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my education.
I find that hard to believe. How and where were your teachers educated?
What text books did you use? What curriculum did you follow? What
technology was used in your school?
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As I went to private school for 13 years, no one's taxes went to my
education.
I find that hard to believe. How and where were your teachers educated?
What text books did you use? What curriculum did you follow? What
technology was used in your school? Where was that
-Caveat Lector-
--- Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that
our nonexistent children are not attending.
It is difficult to tell, without knowing you personally, whether you are
a supremely selfish person or
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--- Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and what does this have to do with consipiracy
Dumbing-down education is part of the conspiracy. The purpose is to
turn our children into little sheeple who don't question what the "big
guys" are doing. As an added bonus, Mr.
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I agree with this angle.
I think "and what does this have to do with conspiracy?" should be appended to
all the CTRL emails as a reminder to stay topical. But there's already enough
crap appended to each email.
jeff
--- Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that my parents, and everyone that home-schools
or
sends kids to private school, is paying for TWO educations. I've yet to
hear a
reason why this is fair, moral, or just.
because, otherwise, those who can't afford to pay for their education won't
get
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wake up people! - bush's package is designed to segregate blacks from
whites. the evidence is loud and clear. the truth is ugly but we must accept
it and fight against it - you more than me as i'm not an american citizen.
bush is a puppet of the worst kind and you must
-Caveat Lector-
--- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that my parents, and everyone that home-schools
or
sends kids to private school, is paying for TWO educations. I've yet to
hear a
reason why this is fair, moral, or just.
because, otherwise,
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In a message dated 1/25/01 2:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone that
observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
years in the school system where I grew up realizes that they are far
beyond repair. T
I
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--- "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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In a message dated 1/25/01 2:09:50 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone that
observes an intractable public school situation such as I observed for
years in the school system where I
A-The Catholic church, as well as other Xian denominations.
Bill.
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The education reform we need is something that will benefit ME: a total
elimination of public primary and secondary education. Then people like me...
childless people... would not be paying taxes to support schools that our
nonexistent children are not attending.
This would
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