Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-28 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- I want to control the state democratically and I don't want businessmen to run this society surreptitiously any longer. More people feel like I do due to the antics of people you seem to admire. In the end, it will go our way because there are more of us than there are of you.

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-28 Thread M. A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-27 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Where would Monsanto be without the F.D.A.? This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to the realities of global corporatism. Monsanto could live without

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-27 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Someone wrote: Where would Monsanto be without the F.D.A.? Kenn Thomas wrote: This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies,

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-26 Thread Teo1000
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/98 7:38:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to the realities of global

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-26 Thread EASTERISLE
-Caveat Lector- I wrote: (something about a slightly mixed economy) In a message dated 12/26/98 3:49:36 AM, MJ wrote: Name one business one may participate (legally) which is devoid of government. This has been an interesting discussion. I doubt we're going to find ourselves all

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread EASTERISLE
-Caveat Lector- Nurev wrote: It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism. MJ wrote: Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ... Capitalism requires a

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Typical Libertarian bullshit. America has a slightly mixed economy which is firmly in the hands of Capitalists. The very worst of both possibilities. It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class who

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread Kenn Thomas
-Caveat Lector- Where would Monsanto be without the F.D.A.? This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to the realities of global corporatism. Monsanto could live without

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread M. A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- Nurev wrote: It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism. MJ wrote: Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ... Capitalism

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-24 Thread M. A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- Someone wrote: May I suggest that all who are disaffected by Socialism on the one hand, and "vulture" (Pat Buchanan's phrase) or "loan shark" capitalism (which we have in the US now) snip MJ: May I recommend an education in terminology before one attempts

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-23 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "M. A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 05:18 AM 12/21/1998 -0500, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- May I suggest that all who are disaffected by Socialism on the one hand, and "vulture" (Pat Buchanan's phrase) or "loan shark" capitalism (which we have in the