[CTRL] UK army abuse, Boychoir, Internet crime, Priests, Guantanamo, Rumsfeld/war crime
-Caveat Lector- also has Red Cross Finds Detainee Abuse in Guantánamo scroll for articles Minister orders new Deepcut review Mark Oliver 11/30/04 "The armed forces minister, Adam Ingram, today announced an independent review into allegations of ritual humiliation, bullying and sexual abuse at the army's notorious Deepcut training barracks.Mr Ingram stopped short of announcing a full public inquiry, which had been called for by the families of the four young recruits who died from gunshout wounds at the barracks, in Surrey, between 1995 and 2002." Http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,1362960,00.html Police list 100 Deepcut abuse claims Richard Norton-Taylor 11/30/04 "Detailed allegations of ritual humiliation and sexual abuse of women soldiers at the army's most notorious training camp, the Deepcut barracks, are disclosed in confidential documents leaked yesterday. The documents describe how one female private recalled "how she was made to run around the parade ground naked whilst wearing a belt with mess tins attached to it". Another soldier said she was forced to get out of the shower "naked and wet" and made to go on parade with other soldiers in mid-January. More than 100 allegations, which also include rape, indecent assault and degrading treatment, are listed in a report drawn up by Surrey police during their investigation into the deaths of four recruits at the training camp." http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,1362600,00.html Lawyer Alleges Abuse in N.J. School's Past 11/29/04 By Angela Delli Santi, Trenton, N.J. "Child sex abuse was once so pervasive at a prestigious Princeton music school that administrators who raped and sodomized male boarding students thought the molestation was part of producing a world-class choir, a lawyer for one former student told the state Supreme Court Monday. American Boychoir School should be liable for the flagrant and unchecked abuse of boys entrusted to its care, attorney Lawrence Lessig said." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=720e=10u=/ap/20041130/ap_on_re_us/choir_school article has graphic descriptions of crimes. Babysitting way to recruit victims, Montreal dad tells child-porn chat lines 11/30/04 Ross Marowits - Montreal (CP) - Babysitting can be used as an opportunity to lure young children into sex, a man accused of sexually assaulting his daughter and spreading juvenile pornography on the Internet bragged during chat room conversationsProvincial police arrested the father of four and another Montreal-area man on Dec. 9, 2002, as part of an international investigation launched by Swiss police. Charges were also laid against nearly 20 people in Norway, France and Belgium." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/cpress/20041130/ca_pr_on_na/crime_child_porn Oakland Seminary Housing Sex Offender Priests 11/28/04 "In all the controversy over child abuse by Catholic priests, one issue really has not been explored. What does the church do with priests who've molested children? Where do they go? The ABC7 I-Team has a disturbing answer for people living in an upscale Oakland neighborhood. The I-Team has learned that one order of priests has decided to place its sex offenders at a seminary in Oakland. And, church officials haven't told the neighbors or the schools nearby. If you attend one of the daily services at St. Albert's seminary in the Rockridge neighborhood, you probably wouldn't expect to be sitting next to several sex offenders. But, that's often the case. The Dominican Order of Catholic Priests has decided to send its members who've abused children across the western United States to live at St. Albert's." http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/iteam/112804_iteam_seminary.html http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1413907,00.html and http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120104X.shtml Rumsfeld Sued for Alleged War Crimes "Alleging responsibility for war crimes and torture at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, a human rights group has filed a criminal complaint in Germany against US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials. The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and Berlin's Republican Lawyers' Association said they and five Iraqi citizens mistreated by US soldiers were seeking a probe by German federal prosecutors of leading US policymakers. They said they had chosen Germany because of its Code of Crimes Against International Law, introduced in 2002, which grants German courts universal jurisdiction in cases involving war crimes or crimes against humanity. It also makes military or civilian commanders who fail to prevent their subordinates from committing such acts liable..." http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120104Z.shtml Red Cross Finds Detainee Abuse in Guantánamo By Neil A. Lewis The New York Times Tuesday 30 November 2004 WASHINGTON - The International Committee of the Red Cross has charged in confidential reports to the United
[CTRL] Hmong Hunter Charged With 6 Murders Is Said to Be a Shaman
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/01/national/01hunter.html?pagewanted=printposition= December 1, 2004 Hmong Hunter Charged With 6 Murders Is Said to Be a ShamanBy STEPHEN KINZER T. PAUL, Nov. 30 - The man charged with murdering six other hunters and wounding two in Wisconsin last week is a Hmong shaman who has called on the spirit world in trances that last up to three hours, his family and friends say. The accused, Chai Soua Vang of St. Paul, seeks "the other world" when he tries to cure sick people or invoke divine protection for those who request it, said his friend and former hunting companion Ber Xiong. "He is a special person," Mr. Xiong said. "Chai speaks to the other side. He asks the spirits there to release people who are suffering on earth." Mr. Xiong said Mr. Vang, a 36-year-old truck driver, was one of about 100 shamans among St. Paul's immigrant community of some 25,000 Hmong from Laos. He said he had assisted Mr. Vang in several shamanistic ceremonies, most recently one two years ago at which an extended family asked him to assure its health and prosperity. "He danced on a small table for about two hours," said Mr. Xiong, an employee of an audio technology business in nearby Bloomington. "He was calling out the whole time, not to the people in the room, but to the other world. My job was to sit near the table and make sure he did not fall off." Mr. Xiong declined to identify anyone else who attended that ceremony or others where Mr. Vang participated. Like Mr. Vang, he is a Hmong immigrant, and many Hmong who know Mr. Vang have been reluctant to speak publicly. But in a brief interview, Mr. Vang's sister, Mai, confirmed that he was thought to have mystical powers. "He is a shaman," Ms. Vang said. "But I don't know how long he has been one." Cher Xee Vang, a prominent leader among the Hmong in Minnesota, said the suspect, to whom he is not closely related, had often participated in curing ceremonies. "Chai Vang is a shaman," Cher Xee Vang said. "When we needed him to cure the ill with traditional ways of healing, he would." The events that led to the charges against Mr. Vang occurred on Nov. 21 when, the authorities say, he was caught trespassing on private land in Wisconsin's North Woods, a popular destination for deer hunters in late November. The eight other hunters were all shot in an ensuing confrontation with him, the police say. On Monday, prosecutors formally charged Mr. Vang with six counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder. On Tuesday, handcuffed and wearing a prison-issued orange jumpsuit, he was taken to the basement of the county jail in Hayward, Wis., to hear the charges. Judge Norman L. Yackel of Sawyer County Circuit Court asked Mr. Vang if he understood them. "Yes," Mr. Vang responded. The hearing lasted only eight minutes. Judge Yackel, who cited security concerns in holding the hearing at the jail rather than at the courthouse across the street, set the next court date for Dec. 29. Security has been an issue here in St. Paul as well. With the help of the police, Mr. Vang's family, evidently concerned about its safety and weary of the publicity that the case has brought, has moved from its two-story home on the city's east side to an undisclosed location. It is unclear whether Mr. Vang's role as a shaman is in any way connected to the shootings. But Vincent Her, a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin who studies traditional Hmong culture, said he did not believe that shamans could go into a trance so deep that they would lose touch with the physical world, even in a situation of extreme stress. "That would make him or her unable to mediate between the two worlds, which is the core of the shaman's role," Mr. Her said. At a news conference in Milwaukee on Sunday, Steven Kohn, one of the three lawyers representing Mr. Vang, said the defense team was "looking into all facets in this case as far as defense is concerned." "That includes factual defenses, and it includes potential mental health or mental responsibility defenses," Mr. Kohn said. "This certainly seems not to be a whodunit, but a why." At the same news conference, Mr. Vang's eldest daughter, Kia, made a brief statement. "I don't know what my father did," she said. "I'm really shocked, and I don't know what to say." According to military records, Mr. Vang spent six years in the California Army National Guard. He was honorably
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Will Dems steal the WA governorship?
-Caveat Lector- Got this this AM. Been out of the loop for a while. Take care and God bless. Joe This is so outrageous it certainly will be reversed on appeal if these tactics change the vote totals in favor of Gregoire. Judge Lum should be impeached and removed from office. This is a good example of the attitude too many judges have that they can ignore or overrule the law to reach a "desirable" result. That's the "living constitution" in action. - JR Subscription only JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL Florida Northwest Will Democrats steal the Washington governorship? Monday, November 29, 2004 12:01 a.m. The country dodged a repeat of the 2000 Florida election debacle this year because George W. Bush's margin in the decisive state of Ohio was 136,000 votes. But the one out of 50 Americans who live in Washington state are living through a Florida-style nightmare, with Republican Dino Rossi clinging to a 42-vote lead over Democrat Christine Gregoire in the governor's race after a machine recount of 2.8 million ballots. In the latest example of why this country needs to clean up and clarify its sloppy election systems, Douglas firs substitute for palm trees as the backdrop. In Seattle's King County alone the vote counting so far has featured such anomalies as 10,000 ballots being mysteriously discovered nearly two weeks after Election Day, election officials "enhancing" hundreds of unreadable optical-scan ballots, and a judge allowing political partisans to selectively track down voters who cast questionable provisional ballots to see if they could turn them into valid votes. Ms. Gregoire gained several hundred votes through such maneuvers, so she has now declared her intention to pay for a hand recount of some of the state's precincts to see if she can take the lead. If a selective recount changes the overall winner, the state would pay for a laborious hand recount of all the votes The process could drag on past Christmas and might eventually have to be settled by the state Supreme Court. Gov. Gary Locke is scheduled to leave office on Jan. 12, but wags are already joking he shouldn't be pack his bags too soon. The trouble began when it became clear the race was so close it wouldn't be settled by the ballots counted on election night. Washington allows absentee ballots--used by 70% of the voters this year--to be counted as long as they are postmarked by Election Day. Thus everyone knew that the way late absentee and provisional votes (cast by people not on the registration rolls, and subject to later verification) were counted might wind up swinging the election. That set off a legal fracas over the 929 people in heavily Democratic King County whose provisional ballots hadn't been counted because of mismatched or missing signatures. Democrats demanded the names and addresses of those voters so they could contact them and correct the errors. County officials responded that in requiring that all 50 states offer provisional ballots Congress had stipulated that such votes remain private. Republican lawyers argued that having partisans scavenge for votes would increase the potential for fraud. But Superior Court Judge Dean Lum said such arguments weren't as important as the need to make sure every vote counted--an echo of Florida. A full 10 days after the election, while absentee votes were still being counted, he ordered election officials to give the names and addresses of the provisional voters to the Democratic Party. Judge Lum did express regret that the judiciary was being "whipsawed in the middle" of a bitter partisan dispute and asked to "micromanage an election." But then he proceeded to do precisely that by allowing partisan workers the opportunity to mine flawed ballots after the election, for the first time in the 20 years that Washington has used provisional ballots. Democrats spent the next three days knocking on doors and speed-dialing voters. Ryan Bianchi, communications assistant for Ms. Gregoire, made it clear how blatantly partisan the approach was. Democratic volunteers asked if voters had cast ballots for Ms. Gregoire. "If they say no, we just tell them to have a nice day," he told the Seattle Times. Only if they say yes, did the Democrats ask if they want to make their ballot valid. Republicans played catch-up by belatedly using their own phone banks to call up voters and identify ballots that might fall their way if made valid. In the end Democrats turned in some 600 written oaths from provisional voters and Republicans about 200. Those votes helped narrow Mr. Rossi's eventual lead to 261 votes as the late absentee votes were finally counted and the results certified on Nov. 17. Then the state began a mandatory machine recount. Once again, King County was the center of controversy. More than 700 previously uncounted ballots were added to the county's total after election officials "enhanced" them to better divine voter intent. When optical scan machines didn't accept ballots, workers would
[CTRL] Fwd: constantine
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- coupled with a little mind, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing a"constantine report exclusive" about me wasforwarded to me by kris millegan. and while i can find no "constantine report" for which this would be major breaking news, still, being attacked by a wing-nut is unpleasant enough to provoke a response. however, hisfirst accusation is sobaseless as to renderhis diatribe meaningless: nowhere have i even HEARDthat ruppert got 40k from his widow and orphan-robbing friends. thus i would have been unable to make the accusation in my "vicious lashing out." thus in his very firstoverwrought paragraph, mr. constantine is guilty ofslander, or libel, (there is a difference between the two, which i should remember, but don't), and i strongly urge whoever's website he has posted this to to remove it on that basis. and i needmake no defense againstspecious claims that i have lied about things which i never saidin the first place. my background in business television, such as it is,is EXACTLY as i have statedpublicly, and not immodestly: along withnumerous other business-relatedproductions, i once produced a business show, global business 2000, which aired internationally on nbc. no doubtby accident, mr constantine does us all a service by pointing out that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. so, apparently, is going off your meds. daniel hopsicker - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Fwd: 911 Author Daniel Hopsicker1s Credentials are Fraudulent www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---End Message---
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Will Dems steal the WA governorship?
-Caveat Lector- This is so outrageous it certainly will be reversed on appeal if these tactics change the vote totals in favor of Gregoire. Judge Lum should be impeached and removed from office. This is a good example of the attitude too many judges have that they can ignore or overrule the law to reach a desirable result. That's the living constitution in action. - JR Ha Ha. Guess the RepubliKrats prefer a 'dead' Constitution. Such as when they push through Police State anti freedom anti Bill of Rights travesties like the Patriot Act and pro Taliban stuff like anti pornography obsessions or banning pain killers for dying people. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [ENWL-eng] Russia_Successfully_Tests_Anti-Missile_Defense_-_Minister
-Caveat Lector- The Nuclear Arms Race escalates, as does the arms race in space. http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/29/antimissile.shtml Russia Successfully Tests Anti-Missile Defense - Minister Created: 29.11.2004 14:31 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:52 MSK , 13 hours 56 minutes ago Russia has conducted a successful test of an anti-missile missile, Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told the Russian Cabinet on Monday, the RIA-Novosti news agency reports. At 11-00 Moscow time on Monday we conducted a successful test of an anti-missile missile at the Sary-Shagaz testing grounds in Kazakhstan, the agency quoted Ivanov as saying. Russian strategic potential has been seriously decreased since the times of the Cold War, but President Putin pledges to bring back the country's might. In mid-November Putin said that Russia was working on new, unique, nuclear missile systems. Various experts interpreted the Russian president's words as an announcement that Russia may soon have weapons to counter the U.S. anti-missile defense system. We know that we have only to weaken our attention to such components of our defenses as the nuclear-missile shield, and new threats to us could appear, the Russian leader said at a meeting with the heads of the military forces. I am sure that in the near future weapons will appear... which other nuclear powers do not and will not possess, he said. Putin gave no further detail about what type of weapons he was referring to or what shape these new security threats could take. We will continue to consistently and successively build up the armed forces in general and its nuclear component, he said. Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd ICIS-Institute for Cooperation in Space Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAMPAIGN: http://www.peaceinspace.org SIGN OUR U.N. PETITION: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/832338563 __ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Secret memo deepens Thatcher link to coup plot
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://imagicke.blogspot.com/2004/11/secret-memo-deepens-thatcher-link-to.html Secret memo deepens Thatcher link to coup plot David Leigh and David Pallister Saturday November 27, 2004 The Guardian The Obiang regime in Equatorial Guinea yesterday jailed 11 foreign mercenaries for up to 34 years, as documents surfaced further implicating Mark Thatcher in a British-led coup attempt which has caused international embarrassment. A long memo from the Old Etonian mercenary Simon Mann, said to be at the heart of the plot, has been seized by authorities in South Africa. A court there ruled this week that Mark Thatcher will face trial in April. The memo, written before the coup attempt, refers to MT, identified to the South African prosecutors as Mr Thatcher by a key witness. The document taken from the plotters' computer says Mr Thatcher's role must be kept secret, or the coup would be at risk: If involvement becomes known, rest of us, and project, likely to be screwed as a side-issue to people screwing him. Mann goes on to say that even if mercenaries succeeded in taking over the oil-rich state, news of Mr Thatcher's role would particularly add to a campaign post-event, to remove us. He then emphasises: Ensure doesn't happen. These disclosures follow the leak of phone records revealing Mr Thatcher was also in contact with another of the alleged British plotters, businessman Greg Wales, at a crucial moment before the coup bid. Mr Thatcher is facing a further five months on bail, reporting daily to police from his suburban Capetown villa. Mr Thatcher, who claims he thought he was financing a helicopter for an air ambulance, gave an interview to Vanity Fair saying: I feel like a corpse that's going down the Colorado river and there's nothing I can do about it. The Simon Mann memo now seen by the Guardian does not implicate the British in the coup. Instead, in what seems to be a detailed plan for a takeover, the ex-SAS officer seems preoccupied with getting US backing, to prevent his mercenaries being chased out of Africa once their role is discovered. We must follow plan to ensure that neither US government nor oil companies feel that their interests are threatened. He says the US oil firms, who dominate Equatorial Guinea must be made to believe very fast that the thing is in their interest; their staff safe; and that we are very powerful. In Equatorial Guinea yesterday, President Obiang's regime drew back from imposing death sentences. Nick du Toit, the South African arms dealer who this month retracted a confession alleging torture, drew a 34-year jail sentence. Four other South Africans whom prosecutors said were mercenaries received 17 years each in prison. Three others were acquitted. Six Armenian air crew received jail terms of between 14 and 24 years each. Would-be president Severo Moto was sentenced in absentia to 63 years. Eight other opposition exiles were similarly sentenced to 52 years each. Source: UK's Guardian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Will Dems steal the WA governorship?
-Caveat Lector- Not a "Dead" constitution but a stable one. One that can only be changed by the Congress and states. If they were following original intent, we wouldn't have most of the "Patriot" Act and the other abominations. You and the public have been conned into believing that once the president declares a state of national emergency, the restrictions of the Constitution no longer apply.to arbitrary and patently unconstitutional actions of the government. It's the "living constitution" that is allowing the erection of a police state. You have no basis for complaining since you are championing the anti-constitution forces and making up strawmen to denigrate the real defenders of freedom and the constitution. JR - Original Message - From: flw2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Will Dems steal the WA governorship? -Caveat Lector- This is so outrageous it certainly will be reversed on appeal if these tactics change the vote totals in favor of Gregoire. Judge Lum should be impeached and removed from office. This is a good example of the attitude too many judges have that they can ignore or overrule the law to reach a "desirable" result. That's the "living constitution" in action. - JRHa Ha. Guess the RepubliKrats prefer a 'dead' Constitution. Such as whenthey push through Police State anti freedom anti Bill of Rights travestieslike the Patriot Act and pro Taliban stuff like anti pornography obsessionsor banning pain killers for dying people.fl.ctrl.orgDECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?"not soap-boxingâ?"please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?"with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsâ?"is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/A HREF="">ctrlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Election News: Kerry team jumps in
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- From: Gary Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/01 Wed AM 04:49:19 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Election News: Kerry team jumps in Friends, It's been a while since my last email. I've been busy with family, holiday, and travel. But the election story hasn't gone anywhere, in fact it's gained quite a bit of steam (with zero help from the media). In the last few days, Jesse Jackson been holding rallies all over Ohio to raise awareness of the voting irregularities (fraud). In a speech on Sunday, he revealed that he had talked to John Kerry who expressed his support for the investigation and recount efforts. Today this was confirmed, as the Kerry team filed official papers to intervene in a legal battle in the state. As many of you know, the Green and Libertarian party candidates have filed for a recount in Ohio. Judges have since filed a restraining order on them, basically stating that their recount request is not valid, because they were not close enough in the election that a recount could make a difference to them in any way. This goes against the Ohio constitution, which states any candidate can file for a recount, as long as they were on the ballot. Still, the judges have ignored this statute and have silenced the recount request. But if a candidate that was close enough to be affected by a recount were to file such a request, their ruling would not apply. Can anyone think of such a candidate that could be affected by a recount? John Kerry, reporting for duty. Today the Cobb (Green Party) campaign announced that the Kerry team has filed legal papers to intervene with the Judge's ruling. This is a major development and represents the first legal action by the Kerry team. It will not be the last. Please check the SolarBus website for a link to this breaking story. And that's not all. Bev Harris has filed a second lawsuit in Florida, this one against election officials in Palm Beach County, which is normally a democratic stronghold but mysteriously was more for Bush than anyone expected. It appears that they have ignored her Freedom of Information Act request for the audit logs of the electronic voting machines there, and that is against the law. Check the website for a great story of how Bev sneaked in to to a meeting to deliver the legal papers to the defendants. There is also a developing story about a man named Wayne Madsen, who claims to have smoking gun evidence of a $29 million check that was used to finance the vote rigging operation. Some are concerned that this story could be a plant, because if it becomes a big story and then was proven false, it would raise doubts about the entire voter fraud theory (ala the Dan Rather papers). Still, Madsen has provided hard details including the check number, who it was written to, and other specific information that is going to have to be reconciled at some point. His three articles and an audio interview are now available on the SolarBus website. There are dozens of new important articles found on the website. Please look for the NEW symbol next to the stories I've added in the last couple days. I've also broken off the Take Action section into its own page. Please read through it and do everything on there that you can. You'll notice a growing list of local and nationwide protests that are being scheduled. A big one is coming up on December 12th. Please participate if you can. We need to show that we're not just a handful of tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. We are all types of people who just want our votes to count. (There are some good photos of a protest in Denver in the Lead Stories section). A few reminders: Don't wait for my emails to come. Check the website often, it is updated much more frequently than the emails. Forward this email to your friends
[CTRL] Fwd: Law Restricts Municipal Wi-Fi Networks
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Ra Energy Fdn. Raleigh Myers Worksheet bio http://www.igc.apc.org/raenergy/bio.html Blog http://raenergy.blogspot.com/ Law Restricts Municipal Wi-Fi Networks I suppose I should just say it: Now do you believe that Corporatism-Fascism is here ? Making free communication illegal was an anticipated event. We could have had free communications since the advent of the CB radio. Now we can get with it and make it happen. Most of the out of patent components are in place we just need to bundle them. These technologies are is the key to the virtual global direct democracy synergy. http://raenergy.igc.org/wireless.html BENTON'S COMMUNICATIONS-RELATED HEADLINES for DECEMBER 1, 2004 For upcoming media policy events, see http://www.benton.org/calendar.htm TODAY'S QUESTION: Is it really a good idea to give phone companies the right to deny municipalities the ability to deploy their own networks? (see first story below) TELECOM POLICY Law Restricts Municipal Wi-Fi Networks TV Stations Urge Go-Slow Approach on Wi-Fi NCTA Raises TV-Interference Concerns Nation's Advocates Propose Wireless Consumer Protections Bright House Seeking 'Naked' DSL Ruling FCC Should Embrace 'Dynamic Deregulation' MEDIA POLICY APTS Applauds the Continued Growth in Federal Support for Public Television PBS Deal With Comcast Seen as Militating Against Mission Values Fighting FCC on Indecency TV Executives Urge Taking Wider View of Family Friendly Programming EchoStar Says It Can't Provide Local Emergency Alerts Libel Case Could Chill Speech Online The Fight for Docu-Democracy WORTH A LISTEN? -- Digital Generations; Payola Persists FROM THE BLOGSPHERE -- Pegasus News; Media as Election '04 Loser TELECOM POLICY LAW RESTRICTS MUNICIPAL WI-FI NETWORKS Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell (D) said late Tuesday night that he had signed into law a large telecommunications bill placing severe restrictions on the ability of cities and towns to offer telecommunications services, an item that was heavily lobbied by Verizon and other big telephone companies in similar legislation across the country. The legislation signed by Gov. Rendell gives phone companies the right to deny municipalities the ability to deploy their own networks, which could hinder the deployment of Wi-Fi networks throughout the state. Gov. Rendell said that the bill's provision limiting municipal competition was a problem. However, he pointed to Verizon's agreement to waive its right to stop Philadelphia's plan for a Wi-Fi network, and said the state would work with other municipalities on projects that they have established or propose to establish in order to ensure that, to the extent that they are now viable, they will also have the opportunity to succeed. The legislation also contains a potentially lucrative provision giving phone companies like Verizon large incentives to promise to modernize their networks. Some have criticized that provision since companies would be eligible for the incentives after filing the modernization plans, but before the upgrades have actually taken place. [SOURCE: Wall Street Journal, AUTHOR: Jesse Drucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110185892280287396,00.html?mod=todays_us_marketplace (requires subscription) See also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23826-2004Nov30.html TV STATIONS URGE GO-SLOW APPROACH ON WI-FI Public and commercial broadcasters are asking the FCC to delay plans to let wireless local area computer networks (known as Wi-Fi) and other unlicensed communications devices operate on vacant TV channels. The FCC proposal would produce many detrimental and unintended consequences to America's free, over-the-air television service but fails to present any meaningful method for resolving such problems, the National Association of
[CTRL] TV alert: Secret societies the Washington Monument
-Caveat Lector- [http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/episode_detail.jsp?EAirId=12169775page=listings] History Channel Wednesday, December 1 @ 8pm 12m ET/PT: The U.S. capital boasts many memorials, but none with a more bizarre history than the obelisk erected to America's first president. Over 55 stories high and weighing over 90,000 tons, the Washington Monument stands stalwart in the city's center. From concept to completion, it took 100 years--years filled with mystery, ceremony, conflict, government action, and inaction. Proposed in the late 1700s by a group of prominent citizens and finished in the late 1800s by the Army Corps of Engineers, the exterior is mainly Maryland white marble, while the interior is made of granite, iron...and a few surprises. How did it come together and why did it take so long? Historians tell stories of stalling bureaucracy, secret societies, and triumphant engineering. Stark and daunting on the outside, we let viewers know what's inside. -- www.total411.info www.libertythink.com www.total911.info www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] C.R.E.S.T. for the scoop: A MUST READ IN FULL!!! National Pro American/ Patriot Media Press Release: (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.info-quest.org visit my blog at http://info-spectrum.blogspot.com My ICQ# is 79071904 See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of appeals doesn't want you to say. for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:49:02 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: C.R.E.S.T. for the scoop: A MUST READ IN FULL!!! National Pro American/ Patriot Media Press Release: - Forwarded message from Office of Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subject: A MUST READ IN FULL!!! National Pro American/ Patriot Media Press Release: A MUST READ IN FULL!!! National Pro American/ Patriot Press Release: FYI: Many of you already know that more than 70% of Americans do not trust the established/mainstream press. Most of you may not know, however, that there is one national Print, AM/FM Radio, Internet Audio, Satellite, Shortwave, micro-broadcast and retail video/DVD production network that is strictly for Pro American/Patriot use. Not beholden to puppet church or political puppet ideology; this network FICAA.COM (Fully Informed Citizen Associations of America) is dedicated in helping all closet patriots come out of the closet. They do this by providing each community, throughout America, their own 32 plus page four color magazine that exposes the Dominate (demon speak) Media; the same media that's poisoning the minds and lives of Americans today. (They do this with community help! With the help of every person in every community throughout America- those who have seen OZ not only cooking the books but who have seen him stoking the fire with the pages of the Constitution! Imagine that!!! A real Pro American Patriot Network dedicated for Pro American Patriot use!!! Wow!) Just as all other media networks need people in each community to perpetrate the main lie- so too must we have a media network exposing the whole truth. Having stated this- if you would like a job working for America's REAL press, contact www.ficaa.com Check it out for yourself. This is no joke and boy howdy! are they set up to punch Uncle Sam in the nose! They have Job Openings in every community nationwide. These are real jobs with real money being paid for real work no MLM junk! No money is paid in order to get this job. There are no products to buy, no monthly fees or dues. There is no BS about it! They just need real people to stand up and do what's right. Period. Check it out for yourself! It's just a real career offer/opportunity. And, best of all, they want real Americans to fill these positions. You know who these types of people these people are and what they stand for so if this is you...stand up or SHUT UP!!! Everything you need to know is on their website. All questions can be sent to Director of National Operations at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is not a joke or some gimmick- If you want to bust Uncle Sam up side the head for all of his lies!!! And expose all his liars, cheater and deceivers- then get involved now!! Pass this email along to one and all of like mind. Let's explode on the national stage before Uncle Scam knows what's hit him. Today is November 26th 2004 The Discerning American Digest (Print Magazines) will be placed in your community at the first of the year but only if you get involved immediatly!! FEED YOUR COMMUNITY WHATS BEING KEPT FROM THEM!!! ONLY YOU CAN SAVE AMERICA AND YOU KNOW IT!!! HELP EDUCATE OTHER AMERICANS NOW!!! !! NOW IS THE TIME !!! !!! THIS IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR PRAYERS!!! !! THE MAGAZINES ARE FREE !! AND COME OUT MONTHLY IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY!!! As of today you will have no excuse for not helping America receive the Truth. ! SEND TO ALL OF YOUR EMAIL CONTACTS! NOW! If you want 500 sample copies for your community right now- tell us where to ship them by clicking her http://www.ficaa.com/thedad_samples_form.php The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. - End forwarded message - This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/uVorlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheCREST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an
[CTRL] How The Bush Gang Stole Its Third National Election in a Row
-Caveat Lector- http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000869.php How The Bush Gang Stole Its Third National Election in a Row By William Hare 11/29/04 The 2004 election theft marks the third in a row for the Bush Gang. While much has been written about 2000, unfortunately the pivotal 2002 mid-term elections came and went in a torrent, which was the way that Republican strategists wanted it. The one thing they fear is sober reflection followed by solid investigation. Fortunately they have the complaisant mainstream corporate media looking the other way. The 2002 mid-term elections were viewed as a grand triumph for George W. Bush since he ostensibly defied the tradition that incumbent chief executives suffer losses in such contests. While the corporate media saluted him for his efforts and he received congratulations from liberal pundit Paul Begala on CNNs Crossfire, disturbing trends were observed by those detached enough from mainstream media ozone to investigate. In Minnesota Democrats were united behind Walter Mondale as a replacement for the recently deceased Senator Paul Wellstone, who had perished in a plane crash, against Democrat turned Republican Norm Coleman. After some tough moments Wellstone had weathered well-financed Republican onslaughts to secure a lead in the polls before his tragic demise. Those same polls found Mondale maintaining a lead going into Election Day, upon which a big surprise was recorded and Coleman emerged the winner. Republican Senator Wayne Allard was running behind in Colorado with the momentum going in the other direction. When the results were revealed he, like Coleman, had won in a final surge that the pollsters failed to detect. The identical phenomenon occurred in New Hampshire, where popular Governor Jean Shaheen, who had been on Al Gores short list for the vice presidency in 2000, appeared on her way to the U.S. Senate. The pollsters were once more revealed to be dramatically wrong as John Sununu Jr. pulled through with another one of those 2002 Republican final surges to nip his opponent at the wire. The most widely observed case of Republicans seemingly clutching victory from the jaws of defeat occurred in Georgia. This is the state where Karl Rove enticed lackluster Congressman Saxby Chambliss to run against Vietnam War hero and incumbent Senator Max Cleland. Despite shameful television ads showing Cleland alongside Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden the incumbent appeared to have weathered the storm and was ahead in the polls, as was Democratic Governor Roy Barnes. On Election Day the Republicans had scored two more of those amazing come from behind victories in the face of negative poll forecasts as Chambliss and Republican gubernatorial candidate Sonny Perdue both won. A few perceptive analysts observed the strong showings made by Chambliss and Perdue in polling areas when the widely heralded new Diebold voting machines were in use. They dovetailed this information alongside the fact that similar machines were being used in the other races in which Republicans had scored dramatic triumphs. John Zogby had proven himself to be one of the nations most reliable pollsters in 2000, when he correctly analyzed Gores final surge and ultimate victory in the popular vote category, as well as in the Electoral College but for the fraudulent efforts of Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris in Florida and the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court majority in Bush vs. Gore, in which Federalist Society partisans Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas refused to recuse themselves despite conflicts of interest. It is interesting to note that the usually reliable Zogby along with some of his professional colleagues, who had followed the aforementioned senate races closely, were mysteriously off by margins as high as 10 to 13 percent. These key races made the difference as Republicans took control of the United States Senate and Bush was saluted for his successful barnstorming on behalf of Republican candidates. Despite all kinds of promises to fix things so that the 2004 presidential election could go off without major hitches, what occurred was a malicious mix combining the worst of the 2000 and 2002 scenarios. When the exit polls proved to be highly errant in key battleground states such as Ohio and Florida the mainstream media simplistically explained that Bush voters had demonstrated a greater reluctance to talk to pollsters than did Kerry supporters. This argument sounds as convincing as the one Republicans made in 2000 that the reason why so many chads were spat out in Florida did not relate to the age and unreliability of the machines, but because large numbers of voters decided at the last second to not vote for president, resulting in half-hearted stabs at the paper before them. The same media that recited this nonsense repeatedly, as long as James Baker could say it with a straight face, is now attacking Internet critics citing corruption in the 2004 vote as
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Bush's sneering smirk despised throughout the World
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=32193 Bush's sneering smirk despised throughout the World Bush visits Canada to beg Paul Martin for help with US Quagmire and Torture operations. Thousands show up to roll out the 'Unwelcome' matt for Bu$hco. Former Governor Bush can't go anywhere (including within his own country) without people showing up to express their disdain. Earlier US corporate media reports have indicated that Bush was forced to cancel a scheduled appearance because there were fears that he might be heckled! Even his neighbors can't stand him!OTTAWA (AP) - Holding up signs calling US President George W Bush a "war criminal" and "liar," a few thousand demonstrators rallied in the Canadian capital yesterday to protest his visit, the US-led war in Iraq and a host of other issues. Organisers said about 5,000 people, many of whom rode buses overnight from across Ontario and Quebec, held a rally at Ottawa's City Hall before a planned march on Canada's Parliament buildings. Police put the figure at between 2,500 and 3,000. Making his first official visit to Canada, Bush arrived yesterday for talks with Prime Minister Paul Martin. Bush was welcomed by many placards and signs along his motorcade route, including a truck parked nearby that was emblazoned with the phrase "Bush is a war criminal." Another placard branded him an "assassin". Much the anger seemed focused on Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Canada decided against sending troops to Iraq - a decision supported by more than 80 per cent of Canadians. "Canada is not against America. We're totally against Bush," explained Fredric White, a 40-year-old who works for an entertainment company, who stood by the Parliament building as the president's motorcade arrived. "He's arrogant and ignorant. We totally disdain his policies on the war and his treatment of the UN," White said. "The administration has an imperialist attitude where he thinks he can take over countries by bombing them." One group, the Toronto Coalition to Stop the War, planned to roll out a so-called "unwelcome mat" for Bush - a giant carpet-turned-protest-sign. Protesters also voiced disapproval over trade issues and US efforts to get Canada involved in the continental missile defence shield. Christy Ferguson, a 27-year-old activist with Greenpeace, held a large banner saying "Stop Star Wars." "We think Canada shouldn't even be talking to the US about missile defence because it's driving nuclear proliferation around the world," she said. Martin has promised an open debate in the House of Commons on whether Canada should take part in the defence programme. Polls show a majority of Canadians are against joining the system, calling it destabilising and a misguided effort to put weapons in space. An Ipsos-Reid/CTV poll released yesterday shows 58 per cent of Canadians think Bush's re-election was a "bad thing", while 26 per cent believed it was good. The poll surveyed 1,000 Canadians and had a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points. Joe Cressy, an organiser for the anti-Bush rally and a student at Carlton University in Ottawa, called the protests a "direct communication link to Bush" - but also "a message to our prime minister that he should not support Bush's policies." Gathered at the City Hall rally, Lawrence Wueft, a 60-year-old sculptor from the eastern province of New Brunswick held up a banner made from a bed sheet that read: "Bush, go home. Keep your bloody hands off Canada." "Bush, you're involved in an illegal war. Don't involve Canada in that illegal war," he said. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Fwd: constantine
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 Kris, did Alex Constantine send you his criticism of Hopsicker so that you could post it on your lists, as you have posted his many articles on Khashoggi Co. during these past weeks? If so, I think you should let us see it. While you are Hopsicker's associate, as I found when I dialed the phone number on his madcowprod.com website whois record and found myself talking with you 8^), Constantine is a very knowledgeable and highly regarded researcher, and intellectual honesty should compel you to post his original message, not just Hopsicker's answer to it. Mark On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:34:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: constantine Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 02:10:17 -0500 coupled with a little mind, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing a constantine report exclusive about me was forwarded to me by kris millegan. and while i can find no constantine report for which this would be major breaking news, still, being attacked by a wing-nut is unpleasant enough to provoke a response. however, his first accusation is so baseless as to render his diatribe meaningless: nowhere have i even HEARD that ruppert got 40k from his widow and orphan-robbing friends. thus i would have been unable to make the accusation in my vicious lashing out. thus in his very first overwrought paragraph, mr. constantine is guilty of slander, or libel, (there is a difference between the two, which i should remember, but don't), and i strongly urge whoever's website he has posted this to to remove it on that basis. and i need make no defense against specious claims that i have lied about things which i never said in the first place. my background in business television, such as it is, is EXACTLY as i have stated publicly, and not immodestly: along with numerous other business-related productions, i once produced a business show, global business 2000, which aired internationally on nbc. no doubt by accident, mr constantine does us all a service by pointing out that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. so, apparently, is going off your meds. daniel hopsicker - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Fwd: 911 Author Daniel Hopsicker1s Credentials are Fraudulent www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: 911 Author Daniel Hopsicker1s Credentials are Fraudulent
-Caveat Lector- (J(B (JIn a message dated 12/1/04 3:46:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:(B (J(B (J(B (J(B (JIn Welcome to Terrorland, we learn that Hopsicker was the producer of NBC$B".(Js(B (JInside Wall Street. He was clearly a mover in the television industry, a(B (Jshaker in the world of communications...(B (J(B (J(B (J(B (JWell, for one, this is incorrect. Nowhere inside the book Welcome To Terrorland or on the cover, does Daniel Hopsicker claim to be a producer of NBC's Inside Wall Street. (B (J(B (JFrom my website cia-drugs.com comes the original source quote: (B (Jhttp://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/speakers/hopsicker/(B (J(B (JDaniel Hopsicker has spent a career in business television;(B (J producing "Inside Wall Street" and "The Emerging Growth Stock Report,"(B (J among others.(B (J(B (J He was the executive producer of a business news magazine(B (J airing on NBC internationally when he went to Bill Clinton's Arkansas to(B (J film a story for a new series pilot and discovered that "things ain't always(B (J been jes' right down here," in the words of a famous Mississippi lawman.(B (J(B (J---(B (J(B (JIf this shows the level of Alex's research and accusations from said research, I find it disturbing and have taken down a page at ctrl.org with posts from his Khasoggi series.(B (J(B (JAs seen from the original quote above, Alex has fabricated his accusation. (B (J(B (JI find Alex's comments baneful and curious. Several weeks ago, I received several emails from folks casting aspersions about Alex and haven't seen fit to post those. I forwarded them to Alex. (B (J(B (JAlex in his accusations has made several errors and all because Dan said some things about Ruppert? As if Ruppert cannot defend himself. (B (J(B (JCuriouser and curiouser. (B (J(B (JPeace, (B (JOm(B (JK(B (J (BLet us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. (B (BArchives Available at: (B (Bhttp://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ (BA HREF=""ctrl/A (B (BTo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: (BSUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BTo UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: (BSIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B (BOm (BE="2">(B---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Kris may not have received this yet, and that's why it hasn't posted. Thanks for the words. - AC 911 Author Daniel Hopsicker¹s Credentials are Fraudulent By Alex Constantine A Constantine Report Exclusive Something ain¹t always been jes¹ right with Daniel Hopsicker. The author of Barry and the Boys and Welcome to Terrorland rarely documents his claims, but his readers have long suspended disbelief and swallowed them hook(er), (cocaine) line and (CIA) stinker. Terrorland has been widely reviewed and touted as the definitive word on 911 air commando Mohammed Atta and crew. Lately, he has made waves in the 911 Truth Movement by exposing its co-option by CIA cut-outs, UFOlogists and occultists like author John Gray, an operative of Saudi entrepreneur Adnan Khashoggi, and Byron Belitsos, founder of 911Truth.org. But on a hunch - after Hopsicker, from his MadCowMorningNews Internet soap box, viciously lashed out at fellow researcher Mike Ruppert, author of Crossing the Rubicon, accusing him of accepting $40,000 is speaking fees (a figure later adjusted to $4,000), and calling him out as a traitor to the 911 Truth Movement - it occured to us to check out Hopsicker¹s credentials. It¹s common knowledge in the 911 research community that Daniel Hopsicker is a hard-bitten veteran of ³The Emerging Growth Stock Report.² By way of introduction, in an interview conducted by Michael Reagan, the late president¹s son, on August 22, 1997, Hopsicker gave a revised account: ³Mike, I'm in the television industry. I produce a business TV show called Global Business¹ internationally and on NBC. It has been airing for about 18 months...² In Welcome to Terrorland, we learn that Hopsicker was the producer of NBC¹s Inside Wall Street. He was clearly a mover in the television industry, a shaker in the world of communications... Unfortunately, he made it all up. Daniel Hopsicker could not have produced a program for NBC called Inside Wall Street because NBC has never aired a show by this name, according to a search of the IMDB web site, a comprehensive television industry union database (see, http://www.imdb.com to conduct the search). ³Global Business² was apparently fabricated, as well - there is no mention of it in the IMDB. This isn¹t to say that Hopsicker is completely devoid of experience in the industry. In 1998, he did direct a program called Phenomenon: The Lost Archives,¹ hosted by Dean Stockwell, one of those ³alien² and ³crop circle² hoaxgrams that pollute the cable
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fwd: constantine
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/1/04 3:22:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 Kris, did Alex Constantine send you his criticism of Hopsicker so that you could post it on your lists, as you have posted his many articles on Khashoggi Co. during these past weeks? Mark, Alex sends me lots of posts. Some I post some I don't. Some folks have also sent me posts about Alex, that I haven't posted. And to answer your question, Mark, yes Alex sent a copy to me. I also received several other copies from folks on both coasts. I am sure you can find a copy if you wish. If so, I think you should let us see it. It is Alex's post. Ask him. I have seen it several times. You want acces to my email box? Why? Are you trying to accuse me of something, Mark? Should I just forward everything that comes in? While you are Hopsicker's associate, as I found when I dialed the phone number on his madcowprod.com website whois record and found myself talking with you 8^), Constantine is a very knowledgeable and highly regarded researcher, Maybe but I find that Alex is wrong in his accusations and I find his trying to taint Daniel by the venue where one of Dan's films was played, well, I guess that would leave Feral House and all of its sundry publications as fair game to taint Consantine. Actions I find to be very inane, juvenile and unproductive. and intellectual honesty should compel you to post his original message, not just Hopsicker's answer to it. Mark Yadda, yadda ...take your groupthink and put it the same place as your spurious theory of piano wires, little boxes in-the-ground, et al taking out the light poles around the Pentagon. Peace, Om K Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] THE POWER ELITE THAT RULES US: RICHARD ARMITAGE AND THE ISI / After the Vietnam war Richard Armitage was a prominent trafficker in Bangkok.
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- "Connie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: TueNov30,2004 10:21 am Subject: THE POWER ELITE THAT RULES US: RICHARD ARMITAGE AND THE ISI / ADVERTISEMENT Nothing is as it seems and all of history is a lie. From: Don Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED]This is a two part message:1.Richard Armitage And The ISIhttp://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis19.htm by Dr. Dennis Cuddy, Ph.D RICHARD ARMITAGE AND THE ISI By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.November 30, 2004www.NewsWithViews.com On November 17, 2004, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage indicated he would be leaving that job. The average American is probably aware of little if anything about this important power player in international affairs, but his activities have been of considerable significance. For years, Richard Armitage worked for the CIA and DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). He also holds the highest Pakistani civil decoration that a foreigner can receive, and he has many friends in Pakistan's intelligence agency (the ISI, Inter-Services Intelligence). Why would an American government official become so involved with Pakistan? For one thing, most CIA covert operations in that part of the world have been run through the ISI. Also, Pakistan is geopolitically important in obtaining oil from the Caspian region where Kazakhstan is located. Armitage (whose business clients have included Halliburton's Brown Root division, Boeing, Goldman Sachs and Chase Manhattan) and Dick Cheney in the 1990s had business or consulting interests in the Caspian region (Cheney has been CEO of Halliburton and on the Kazakhstan Oil Advisory Board), and in 1997 Armitage was contacted by the oil and gas giant UNOCAL to work for its Central Asia pipeline interests. Armitage also co-authored the July 2000 report of The Commission on America's National Interests, which described the need for obtaining oil from the Caspian region. The recalcitrant Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, however, were standing in the way of moving the oil and gas from that region to Pakistan, the U.S., and elsewhere. Relevant to this, in 1997 Zbigniew Brzezinski (first director of the Trilateral Commission) wrote THE GRAND CHESSBOARD, referring several times to "ruling national elites," and describing the importance of a pipeline from the Caspian region to the Arabian Sea via Afghanistan. He explained: "America is now Eurasia's arbiterHow the United States both manipulates and manages Eurasia's key geopolitical pivots will be critical to the longevity and stability of America's global primacyA possible challenge to American primacy from Islamic fundamentalism could be part of the problem in this unstable region...and would be likely to express itself through diffuse violence." And concerning American power, he continued: "The pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-beingAmerica may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." Like the terrorist attack of 9-11, or the claim that Saddam Hussein had WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction)? Digressing briefly, in 1952 the World Association of Parliamentarians for World Government developed a map showing what nations' military forces would be policing other nations when the world government became a reality. According to the map, American forces would be policing the Caspian region (Kazakhstan, etc.), and on September 14, 1997 American military forces did indeed begin conducting joint military exercises there, where the U.S. now has military bases. The rumor now is that Richard Armitage will be replaced as Deputy Secretary of State by John
[CTRL] Deer-Hunter Slayings: Why Immigrants Kill
-Caveat Lector- http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Francis/Principalities.html November 30, 2004 DEER-HUNTER SLAYINGS: WHY IMMIGRANTS KILL by Samuel Francis Just exactly how many murders will it take to convince the Open Borders lobby, whose leader now seems to be President Bush, that mass Third World immigration is not such a good idea? Up in Wisconsin, a gentleman named Chai Soua Vang, a 36-year-old Hmong immigrant, just blew away six people, apparently because they threw him out of their privately owned deer stand he had decided to take over for his own use.Ten years ago, immigration expert Roy Beck wrote a path-breaking article in the Atlantic Monthly about the Hmong immigrants in Wausau, Wisc.a discussion he repeated in his later book, "The Case Against Immigration.""The number of Southeast Asians burgeoned, and the city's ability to welcome, nurture, accommodate and assimilate the larger numbers shrank. Most immigrants were unable to enter the mainstream of the economy. Residents resented the social costs of caring for many more newcomers than anybody had been led to believe would arrive. ... Inter-ethnic violence and other tensions proliferated in the schools and in the parks and streets of a town that formerly had been virtually free of social tensions and violence."That's only a selection, but what Beck described is the predictable result of the mass immigration of a radically different people into a homogeneous community.Obviously, not all or even most immigrants turn out to be spree killers, and obviously there are plenty of homegrown onesCharles Manson, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, et al. But in recent years immigrants, and especially those from non-Western and non-white parts of the world, have contributed more than their fair share to the annals of atrocity crimes.The most obvious is the World Trade Center in 2001, but well before that Jamaican immigrant Colin Ferguson murdered six passengers on a commuter train on Long Island in 1993. Pakistani immigrant Mir Aimal Kansi murdered two people outside CIA headquarters in the same year, which was the year after aliens first tried to blow up the World Trade Center. In 1997, immigrant Ali Abu Kamal shot up the tourists at the Empire State Building, and later two more immigrants were arrested for trying to blow up the New York subway system. There are a number of other cases that made national news at the time.Are they all just coincidences? Not exactly. The link between immigration and violence is that the aliens lack roots in the society and civilization into which they import themselves. The people they see aren't their people, and their moral and social norms aren't theirs, either. Being strangers in a strange land, they feel little obligation to it or its members. For immigrants on the fringe, the resulting tensions can overflow, and it's not easy even for those not so fringe.Thus, The Washington Post, not exactly a hotbed of nativist bigotry, offers this editorializing in its news article about the Wisconsin killings."Rules and etiquette on American hunting passed from generation to generation have proved unfamiliar to many Hmong, who come from Laos, where hunting is a practiced skill. The Lao mountains are among the wildest and least populated areas of the world. There are no regulations about what, where or when to hunt. Conservation officers and property owners in several states have reported conflicts with the Hmong over their hunting practices, often because they did not understand American traditions. Four years ago, Minnesota's Department of Natural Resources hired a Hmong officer to teach the community about local hunting and fishing rules."Well, I guess maybe the Department of Natural Resources didn't do such a bang-up job, and who can blame it? Why should we need government bureaucracies to explain our traditions and values to masses of aliens who have no business coming here at all? The "conflicts with the Hmong" the Post mentions so demurely are not just about hunting, and the conflicts are not confined to the Hmong. The exact same kinds of conflicts are obvious to anyone who deals with Third Worlders on any large scale.Will the Wisconsin mass murders of which Vang is accused lead the dominant culture to start rethinking immigration and its social consequences? Not a bit. Here's what ABC News found to worry about in the incident:"Vang's arrest left some Hmong citizens in his hometown fearful of a backlash. About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city. And the shooting has already provoked racial tension in an area of Wisconsin where deer hunting is steeped in tradition."That's the real problem, you see, not immigration but the racial "backlash" that may or may not come about from the white people whose friends and neighbors Vang slaughtered. Maybe the Department of Natural Resources can send in a team to teach them about racism. To find out more about Samuel Francis, and read
[CTRL] Time to Engage Iran?
-Caveat Lector- December 1, 2004 Time to Engage Iran? by Patrick J. Buchanan Iran does not want a clash with the United States. And unlike Milosevic and Saddam, neither of whom wanted a war, either, Iran is determined not to give the neoconservatives the pretext to launch one. This is behind Tehran's grudging acceptance of the British-French-German initiative to arrest Iran's nuclear program by forcing a shutdown of its facilities for enriching uranium. Iran claims the fuel was to be used in power plants. America says and Europe fears that any Iranian facility that enriches uranium for power plants could also be used to enrich uranium for atom bombs. As of today, there is no hard evidence that Iran has a bomb or the fissile material to build one, or the operating facilities to produce the plutonium or highly enriched uranium needed to create one. But there are reasons to believe Iran is entertaining a nuclear option. First, its nuclear program had been kept secret. Second, given what happened to neighboring Iraq, the mullahs, in facing President Bush, might well prefer the nuclear ambiguity of a North Korea's Kim Jong-Il to the nuclear nakedness of a Saddam Hussein. Third, Iran is surrounded by nuclear neighbors, many of them hostile. U.S. forces are in Turkey, Iraq, the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, and Afghanistan. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, as does India. Russia, which occupied northern Iran after World War II, is a great nuclear power, as is China. Israel, which has threatened to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, has hundreds of nuclear weapons. But there are also arguments for Iran's not going nuclear. While having a bomb might deter some enemies, to be caught secretly building one could provoke Israel or the Americans into a preemptive strike, and the Saudis and Turks into building their own bombs. How would that make Iran more secure? However, if Iran would suffer grievously in a war with the United States losing its nuclear facilities, navy, and air force, and being set back years it is hard to see how America would benefit. U.S. strikes would likely unite the Iranians behind the regime, and retaliation might come in the form of "volunteers" for a Shia uprising in Iraq and attacks on U.S. interests across the Middle East. Pro-American governments could be destabilized and an oil boycott imposed that could send prices to $70 or $80 a barrel. But if neither we nor Iran would benefit from war between us, is there common ground on which we might stand to attain a cold peace? Indeed, there is. Iran has already benefited from the U.S. ouster of the detested Taliban and Saddam, and it would surely not object to a Shi'ite government in Baghdad. And we both have a vital interest in a Persian Gulf kept open. Yet, the conflicts between us cannot be minimized. First, the Iranian revolution is a failure, having created neither a great nor universally respected nation. Unlike the French Revolution, it has been unable to export or replicate itself. Twenty-five years after the fall of the shah, no nation looks to Iran as a model or inspiration. Twice, Iranians have voted in landslides for reformers to ameliorate mullah rule. But while Tehran has an incentive to integrate the nation into the modern world, any such integration would dilute revolutionary purity and zeal, and could further estrange the regime from the people. What makes détente with America almost impossible is that the ayatollah's revolution was as much anti-American as anti-Shah. Enmity toward the "Great Satan" legitimizes the regime. But should America suddenly no longer be an enemy, but a partner, Iran's people might ask: Why not open our country up to tourism, trade, and cultural contact with America? For communist Europe, that was the end. What are the elements of coexistence between us? Return to Iran of the billions she is owed by the United States, an end to U.S. sanctions and an invitation into the World Trade Organization. For America, it would require an end to Iran's sponsorship of terror, cooperation in Iraq, and restraint on Hizbollah as we try to broker a peace between Palestinians and Israelis. As for its nuclear program, the United States could ensure Iran's access to peaceful nuclear power in return for a verifiable agreement not to build nuclear weapons. The problem? Iran may believe having a bomb is a better guarantor of her security than any U.S. promise. And, frankly, who could blame them? As for the neocons' insistence on "regime change" in Iran, that is a deal-breaker, which is why Israel and the neocons have made it their non-negotiable demand. They don't want a deal. They want a war. But what is best for America? Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A
[CTRL] What Became Of Conservatives?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Roberts/NewsPCR113004.html November 30, 2004 WHAT BECAME OF CONSERVATIVES? by Paul Craig Roberts I remember when friends would excitedly telephone to report that Rush Limbaugh or G. Gordon Liddy had just read one of my syndicated columns over the air. That was before I became a critic of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration and the neoconservative ideologues who have seized control of the U.S. government.America has blundered into a needless and dangerous war, and fully half of the country's population is enthusiastic. Many Christians think that war in the Middle East signals "end times" and that they are about to be wafted up to heaven. Many patriots think that, finally, America is standing up for itself and demonstrating its righteous might. Conservatives are taking out their Vietnam frustrations on Iraqis. Karl Rove is wrapping Bush in the protective cloak of war leader. The military-industrial complex is drooling over the profits of war. And neoconservatives are laying the groundwork for Israeli territorial expansion.The evening before Thanksgiving, Rush Limbaugh was on C-SPAN TV explaining that these glorious developments would have been impossible if talk radio and the conservative movement had not combined to break the power of the liberal media.In the Thanksgiving issue of National Review, editor Richard Lowry and former editor John O'Sullivan celebrate Bush's re-election triumph over "a hostile press corps." "Try as they might," crowed O'Sullivan, "they couldn't put Kerry over the top."There was a time when I could rant about the "liberal media" with the best of them. But in recent years, I have puzzled over the precise location of the "liberal media."Not so long ago I would have identified the liberal media as The New York Times and The Washington Post, CNN and the three TV networks, and National Public Radio. But both the Times and the Post fell for the Bush administration's lies about WMD and supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq. On balance, CNN, the networks and NPR have not made an issue of the Bush administration's changing explanations for the invasion.Apparently, Rush Limbaugh and National Review think there is a liberal media because the prison torture scandal could not be suppressed and a cameraman filmed the execution of a wounded Iraqi prisoner by a U.S. Marine.Do the Village Voice and The Nation comprise the "liberal media"? The Village Voice is known for Nat Henthof and his columns on civil liberties. Every good conservative believes that civil liberties are liberal because they interfere with the police and let criminals go free. The Nation favors spending on the poor and disfavors gun rights, but I don't see the "liberal hate" in The Nation's feeble pages that Rush Limbaugh was denouncing on C-SPAN.In the ranks of the new conservatives, however, I see and experience much hate. It comes to me in violently worded, ignorant and irrational emails from self-professed conservatives who literally worship George Bush. Even Christians have fallen into idolatry. There appears to be a large number of Americans who are prepared to kill anyone for George Bush.The Iraqi War is serving as a great catharsis for multiple conservative frustrations: job loss, drugs, crime, homosexuals, pornography, female promiscuity, abortion, restrictions on prayer in public places, Darwinism and attacks on religion. Liberals are the cause. Liberals are against America. Anyone against the war is against America and is a liberal. "You are with us or against us."This is the mindset of delusion, and delusion permits no facts or analysis. Blind emotion rules. Americans are right, and everyone else is wrong. End of the debate.That, gentle reader, is the full extent of talk radio, Fox News, The Wall Street Journal editorial page, National Review, The Weekly Standard and, indeed, of the entire concentrated corporate media where non-controversy in the interest of advertising revenue rules.Once upon a time, there was a liberal media. It developed out of the Great Depression and the New Deal. Liberals believed that the private sector is the source of greed that must be restrained by government acting in the public interest. The liberals' mistake was to identify morality with government. Liberals had great suspicion of private power and insufficient suspicion of the power and inclination of government to do good.Liberals became Benthamites (after Jeremy Bentham). They believed that as the people controlled government through democracy, there was no reason to fear government power, which should be increased in order to accomplish more good.The conservative movement that I grew up in did not share the liberals' abiding faith in government. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."Today it is liberals, not conservatives, who endeavor to defend civil liberties from the state. Conservatives have been won around to the old liberal view
[CTRL] Commissar Aaronovitch
-Caveat Lector- http://antiwar.com/justin/ December 1, 2004 Commissar Aaronovitch Ex-commie takes aim at Antiwar.com and misses by Justin Raimondo They don't have neocons in Britain: over there, they're called Blairites, or New Labourites. But it's essentially the same thing: they love the State, they love themselves, and, most of all, they love war in the name of idealism, you understand, which, in Blairite circles, amounts to what passes these days for "humanitarian" interventionism. In any case, I suppose it was inevitable that the British wing of the species would one day deign to notice Antiwar.com's existence and in the same vehemently uncomplimentary vein as their American cousins but David Aaronovitch, writing in the Guardian, doesn't even come close to matching the virulence of our very own Davids Frum, Horowitz, take your pick. I expected rather more from the author of a book entitled Arson, Rape, and Bloody Murder. However, the theme and subject matter of Aaronovitch's 2002 memoir his trials and travails as the son of dedicated Communist Party members, and a Commie youth leader himself in the 1970s might have given me a clue as to what to expect. The Communists have always had a characteristic way of arguing, one that manages to avoid confronting or even mentioning their political opponents' views, while linking all such "enemies of the people" together in a vast conspiracy of White Guards, Hitlerites, and top-hatted capitalists. Having reached middle age, these types often change their views radically becoming, in the case of Horowitz, at least, Bizarro World versions of their old political personas but the overall pattern of their thinking remains pretty constant. Their polemics, once pointed like an ice-pick at dissident Trotskyites and other deviationists, are directed at new enemies: yet they remain true to form in shaping their argument in conspiratorial terms. Aaronovitch's ire is directed at anyone who has dared challenge the cult of Viktor Yushchenko, around which transnational progressives and neoconservative internationalists are converging in an intellectual Ribbentrop Pact of mutual convenience. His primary target is John Laughland, the politically unclassifiable Euroskeptic author and publicist, whose book The Tainted Source is a panoramic and revealing historical overview of the European Idea and its dubious origins in prewar fascist thought: "Whenever, as this past week, eastern Europe is on the news, so too is a man called John Laughland. Last Sunday he was playing Ukrainian expert on the BBC's The World This Weekend, the day before he was here in the Guardian defending the Ukrainian election 'result', and at the beginning of the month he was writing for the Spectator also on Ukraine. "Laughland's great strength is that he sees what no one else in the west seems to. Where reporters in Kiev, including the Guardian's own Nick Paton-Walsh, encounter a genuine democracy movement, Laughland comes across 'neo-Nazis' (Guardian), or 'druggy skinheads from Lvov' (Spectator). And where most observers report serious and specific instances of electoral fraud and malpractice on the part of the supporters of the current prime minister, Laughland complains only of a systematic bias against (the presumably innocent) Mr Yanukovich." One has to note, first of all, that Aaronovitch starts out his indictment with an _expression_ of sheer annoyance that Laughland is even allowed to voice his opinion on major media outlets: This, according to the moral strictures of the neocon-neocommie mindset, is his real crime. Why, Aaronovitch wants to know, is everyone paying so much attention to this upstart? As for seeing what no one else sees millions were sent to the Gulag for less! When Laughland reports the very real presence of neo-Nazis in the ranks of Ukrainian "reformers," Aaronovitch, rather than come right out and accuse him of lying, wonders why no one else has noticed this. Then again, no one but a few Russian émigrés and isolated right-wingers noticed the Soviet gulags when they were filling up with victims. The accusation that Laughland's complaints lack specificity, on close inspection, appears to be utterly specious. You can't get much more specific than this: "We are told that a 96 per cent turnout in Donetsk, the home town of Viktor Yanukovich, is proof of electoral fraud. But apparently turnouts of more than 80 per cent in areas that support Viktor Yushchenko are not. Nor are actual scores for Yushchenko of well over 90 per cent in three regions, which Yanukovich achieved in only two. And whereas Yanukovich's final official score was 54 per cent, the Western-backed President of Georgia, Mikhail Saakashvili, officially polled 96.24 per cent of the vote in his country in January. The observers who now denounce the Ukrainian election welcomed that result in Georgia, saying that it 'brought the country closer to meeting international standards'. We
Re: [CTRL] Hopsicker Updated w/Millegan Revision - more Constantine Crapola - MHO
-Caveat Lector- Alex , my note was no revision of your "story" -- it was an outright refutation of both what you say and infer. Again,on that one simple point you are making an error in reportage. In no time in any website is anyone saying Daniel Hopsicker, "he was the producer of NBC's Inside Wall Street." Never. You made that up. You continue to make a false assumption. Alex, you made up before: "In Welcome to Terrorland, we learn that Hopsicker was the producer of NBC's Inside Wall Street." What else have you made up? Because you search some database doesn't make anything true either. I will bet that there are many shows that are not in that database. Please email this response to all whom you have posted your Hopsicker Updated w/Millegan Revision missive. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
[CTRL] Fwd: Re Hopsicker's Credentials are Fraudulent- ???????
-Caveat Lector- Alex, this is BS to try and make me a bad guy because I "censor." Both CTRL list are public list anyone may join, please post your "stuff" here or elsewhere. It all goes around. Peace, Om K In a message dated 12/1/04 7:47:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark: Kris is not to blame. But he's a friend of Daniel's - I understand his feelings. At the same time, we serve the truth here. I'm not the only one who has caught on (see below). Let me know if Kris censors this (again, I understand his personal conflict), and I'll put a more complete package together, post it somewhere else. To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Mark: Kris is not to blame. But he's a friend of Daniel's - I understand his feelings. At the same time, we serve the truth here. I'm not the only one who has caught on (see below). Let me know if Kris censors this (again, I understand his personal conflict), and I'll put a more complete package together, post it somewhere else. Kris's bluffs will not make this go away, and neither will more of Hopsicker's fabrications. As for meds, Daniel Hopsicker does have a mental disorder that is typically treated by psycho-pharmaceuticals, and I have verification on this. A number of people have been bcc'd on this message. - AC -- Hopsicker i once produced a business show, global business 2000, which aired internationally on nbc... The story keeps changing. Global Business 2000 doesn't even turn up in a Nexis search. Independent confirmation at http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/726580/posts: To: dighton; aculeus; general_re Could it be, Hopsicker, that you're embarrassed to name this business show? If not, he should be. Daniel Hopsicker is the producer of a business news television show airing internationally on NBC called Global Business 2000. 45 posted on 08/02/2002 11:37:29 AM PDT by Orual [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies ] To: Orual Global Business 2000 + NBC, at google -- ALL that turns up is either by or about Hopsicker. Your item continued: That is, he was the Producer until Dan produced a 2-hour special on the CIA and drugs, Mena, Arkansas and Barry Seal called The Secret Heartbeat of America. Dan was told by his biggest friend in Hollywood, Your show will not air while Clinton is President. When a subsequent attack in broad daylight on Wilshire Boulevard outside the Federal Building in Los Angeles confirmed his friend's judgment and prediction, Mr. Hopsicker began work on a book called Barry and 'the boys, due to be finished by the end of 1999. This guy couldn't talk straight if his life depended on it. 46 posted on 08/02/2002 11:55:52 AM PDT by dighton [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies ] ... To: dighton; Orual; aculeus That was a complete waste of time. I can't find any reference to Global Business 2000 at NBC, NBC-International, CNBC, NEXIS, or Google - except for the stuff that ths guy wrote, of course. 48 posted on 08/02/2002 12:29:50 PM PDT by general_re [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies ] To: swarthyguy This must mean that when, three days later, a van filled with Middle Eastern men attempted to gain entry to Bush's hotel by posing as journalists, it has nothing at all to do with terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta's recent presence on Longboat Key. The two Arabs who killed Gen. Masoud in a suicide bombing on Sept. 9th were posing as journalists. 49 posted on 08/02/2002 12:49:39 PM PDT by aristeides [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] [TIA] Mariani / Berg update
-Caveat Lector- [http://www.total911.info/2004/12/mariani-berg-update.html] Cloak Dagger Internet Radio has been having technical problems as of late (proprietor Lenny Bloom blames attacks by the Bush cabal -- to further digress, recall the last time Bush was in Canada, CD was canceled by its 50,000 watt AM blowtorch), but 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani and online reporter Tom Flocco made an appearance on the program the weekend before Thanksgiving. Mariani Flocco confirmed that Mariani has indeed severed her connection to attorney Phil Berg. Berg was Mariani's counsel when she filed a RICO suit against Bush and many others in the Bush cabal. Mariani said that she and Berg parted ways after Bush refused to file conflict-of-interest motions against the attorney representing the daughter of Mariani's late husband Neil, a Flight 93 passenger who apparently died on 9/11. Neil Mariani's daughter Lauren Peters was/is suing to seize control of Neil's estate from her step-mother Ellen. Berg has found another plaintiff to continue with the RICO suit, WTC rescue hero William Rodriguez. Mariani says that Berg has kept donations made to her legal fund through the website 911forthetruth.com . -- www.total411.info www.libertythink.com www.total911.info www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
