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-Caveat Lector- I had checked before sending this last night, to make sure it hadn't been posted here before, so I'm not sure what this is talking about. Does anyone know what this means? Has it happened to anyone else? I know I've seen double-postings of the same messages before... Is this an automatic thing? Anyway, my original message is below this, and is still an important read! goldi "L-Soft list server at America Online, Inc. (1.8e)" wrote: Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CTRL list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the "Subject:" line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Subject: [CTRL] Into the Dark: The Pentagon Plan to Provoke Terrorist Attacks Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:39:45 -0600 From: goldi316 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Two articles here (links included), the first is mentioned (and was the source of) the second. Read carefully and absorb their meaning fully. What they are saying is that ALL our lives are now on the line. From the LA Times: The Secret War Frustrated by intelligence failures, the Defense Department is dramatically expanding its 'black world' of covert operations By William M. Arkin William M. Arkin is a military affairs analyst who writes regularly for Opinion. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] October 27 2002 SOUTH POMFRET, Vt. -- In what may well be the largest expansion of covert action by the armed forces since the Vietnam era, the Bush administration has turned to what the Pentagon calls the "black world" to press the war on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. The Defense Department is building up an elite secret army with resources stretching across the full spectrum of covert capabilities. New organizations are being created. The missions of existing units are being revised. Spy planes and ships are being assigned new missions in anti-terror and monitoring the "axis of evil." The increasingly dominant role of the military, Pentagon officials say, reflects frustration at the highest levels of government with the performance of the intelligence community, law enforcement agencies and much of the burgeoning homeland security apparatus. It also reflects the desire of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to gain greater overall control of the war on terror. Insulated from outside pressures, armed with matchless weapons and technology, trained to operate below the shadow line, the Pentagon's black world of classified operations holds out the hope of swift, decisive action in a struggle against terrorism that often looks more like a family feud than a war. Coupled with the enormous effort being made throughout the government to improve and link information networks and databases, covert anti-terror operations promise to put better information in the hands of streamlined military teams that can identify, monitor and neutralize terrorist threats. "Prevention and preemption are ... the only defense against terrorism," Rumsfeld said in May. "Our task is to find and destroy the enemy before they strike us." The new apparatus for covert operations and the growing government secrecy associated with the war on terrorism reflect the way the Bush administration's most senior officials see today's world: First, they see fighting terrorism and its challenge to U.S. interests and values as the 21st century equivalent of the Cold War crusade against communism. Second, they believe the magnitude of the threat requires, and thus justifies, aggressive new "off-the-books" tactics. In their understandable frustration over continued atrocities such as the recent Bali attack, however, U.S. officials might keep two points in mind. Though covert action can bring quick results, because it is isolated from the normal review processes it can just as quickly bring mistakes and larger problems. Also, the Pentagon is every bit as capable as the civilian side of the government when it comes to creating organization charts and bureaucracy that stifle creative thinking and timely action. The development of the Pentagon's covert counter-terror capability has its roots in the 1979 Iran hostage crisis. The Army created a highly compartmentalized organization that could collect clandestine intelligence independent of the rest of the U.S.
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:24:05 -0400 From: L-Soft list server at America Online, Inc. (1.8d) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:22:04 -0400 with subject Re: WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire? has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (61 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.76]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24600 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 15gu4c-0006SY-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:23:58 -0400 Received: from 66-44-17-235.s2013.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.17.235] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 15gu4b-0006eZ-00; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:22:04 -0400 From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] WTC/Pentagon -- Terrorism or another Reichstag fire? References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saba wrote: This is no time to be paying attention to ramblings of this idiot. We need to stay cool and rooted in reality here. Paranoid and superstitious drivel will run rampant in the next few days. Let's see if this list can do some real work that is actually beneficial for understanding what's going down. Joshua2 -Caveat Lector- Towers at World Trade hold federal officesrecently Govenor of New York moved from the Tower now I wonder why? As Congressman Kascich did here - when Oklahoma blew - that guy moved his office out of FEderal Buildigs to Dublin, quietly.he was pal to Gary Condit. I wonder who did not show up for work today? At least in New York they know their Govenor is safe - World Trade Offices holds many federal and state offices so why did Pataky move out? Maybe same reason Kascich moved out. Pentagon - the symbol of security for the USA... The last guy who rammed a building in Washington with a plane they said was a truck driver.so the big meeting for which they prepared, making Washington the target and now a war zone as well as New York City no doubt will be closed. Keep thinking about Govenor Pataky moving out of World Trade Offices and why? Like Oklahoma - FBI and BATF stayed home and left the babies in the tower? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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The distribution of your message dated Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:29:11 -0400 (EDT) with subject Fwd: 10-year-old dies after shark attack has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (227 lines) - Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28383 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.167]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CAD6A5 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA19557; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAtowX2gGDM+Hpf/M0HsB3LrSpE0cCFFze8Nu19WeMwFhO4Hhb2bO5ipPe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:29:11 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: 10-year-old dies after shark attack Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-21872-507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) --WebTV-Mail-21872-507 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Little kid killed by shark attack but of little consequence for all remains open. The child was by a sandbar in four feet of waterin Florida schools of sharks infesting water and little 8 year old lost an arm and still in coma - but oh well, just one little kid and the matter of the black man who lost a leg? What do you think this is all about - what drives these sharks suddenly in by droves an underground seabase, or what.. This is story on web about sandbars and sharks - and the 10 year old was not too far off shore in 4 feet of water by a sandbar but then, well you would not want to hurt the tourist season...s. Well seems America is rapidly becoming a third world banana boat country who does not see fit to warn parents of infested shark waters? Note Life Guards - tell me aren't they trained to be on look-out and do they not know of the habits of sharks? But of little or no consequence - the show must go on - money, money, money... Saba=A0 =A0=A0 =A0 ISAF How, When, Where Sharks Attack Worldwide there are probably 70-100 shark attacks annually resulting in about 5-15 deaths. We say probably because not all shark attacks are reported; our information from Third World countries is especially poor, and in other areas efforts are sometimes made to keep attack quiet for fear of bad publicity. Historically the death rate was much higher than today, but the advent of readily available emergency services and improved medical treatment has greatly reduced the chances of mortality. Actual numbers of shark attacks certainly are going up each year because of increasing numbers of bathers in the water, but there is no indication that there is any change in the per capita rate of attack. Most attacks occur in nearshore waters, typically inshore of a sandbar or between sandbars where sharks feed and can become trapped at low tide. Areas with steep dropoffs are also likely attack sites. Sharks congregate there because their natural food items also congregate in these areas. _ 10-year-old dies after shark attack Suffered severe blood loss after bites on thigh, leg; officials keep beach openSeptember 2 =97 A family is in mourning after their son was fatally attacked by a shark. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell has details. NBC NEWS AND WIRE REPORTS VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., Sept. 2 =97 =A0A 10-year-old boy died early Sunday from wounds he suffered after being bitten in the leg by a shark while standing on a sandbar just off Virginia's coast. It was the latest in a string of shark attacks on the East Coast this summer, but Virginia Beach officials said they would not close their beaches because no other sharks were spotted. =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The boy did not lose his leg, but the main artery in his thigh was severed, resulting in significant blood loss. =97 SPOKESPERSON Children's Hospital of The King's Daughters in Norfolk =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0DAVID PELTIER, from Richmond, was standing on a sandbar 50 feet from shore in about 4 feet of water at about 6 p.m. when a shark bit the boy, Virginia Beach Mayor Meyera Oberndorf told a news conference Sunday. The attack at Sandbridge Beach, a remote coastal community just south of Virginia Beach, was the first known shark attack in the area
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:35:04 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:43:20 -0500 with subject "Hey kids! What's the best distraction when the Capitalist economy heads south???" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (157 lines) - Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10061 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.62]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dl0z-0005oh-00; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:34:57 -0500 Received: from 66-44-9-41.s2327.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.9.41] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14dl0x-0006ob-00 ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:43:20 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Activist Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Columbia List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Eternera Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED], sam smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hey kids! What's the best distraction when the Capitalist economy heads south??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Subj:[CIA-DRUGS] FTW Subscriber Bulletin 01-05 - Economy Stumbles, Bush Expands War Plans for South America Date: 3/15/01 5:03:28 PM Mountain Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Ruppert) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (From The Wilderness) CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CIA Drugs list) BUSH RENAMES, EXPANDS PLAN COLOMBIA - ADDS $550 MILLION IN PREPARATION FOR WAR - EQUADOR MOVES 10,000 TROOPS TO COLOMBIAN BORDER LINKAGE BETWEEN DRUG WAR AND WALL STREET HEALTH BECOMING TRANSPARENT FTW, March 15, 2001 - Less than a week after diplomats from 25 Latin American and European countries, as well as Japan, defied US interests by meeting jointly with representatives of rebel groups at the invitation of the Colombian government, and just days after two sharp losses caused the Dow to plunge more than 700 points, President Bush added $550 million to Plan Colombia and acknowledged its regional dimensions by re-christening it "The Andean Initiative." Signaling the opening moves in a regional war, Equador has simultaneously moved 10,000 troops to the Colombian border in anticipation of increased hostilities as US military personnel increase air operations from the US base in the coastal city of Manta. All of these events, occurring in close proximity, add further credibility to FTW's long held position that a Vietnam-style conflict in Colombia was essential to prevent the total collapse of the American stock market. FTW has previously documented how an estimated $250 billion in illegal drug money is laundered through the US economy annually and how a 1999 "solicitation" by NYSE Chairman Richard Grasso for the FARC guerillas to invest their drug profits in Wall Street was summarily rejected. The leftist rebels chose instead to keep their money in Colombia. Also irritating for the American economy and markets is the fact that Colombian rebels, who now control the southern third of Colombia, occupy lands estimated to hold billions of barrels of high grade crude oil sought after by, among others, Occidental Petroleum. A total US market collapse, if unchecked, would also threaten to destabilize the US dollar which is the dominant reserve currency around the world. That could have the effect of setting off a worldwide depression similar to that of 1929-38. As a rapidly coalescing European Union attempts to find economic strength by distancing itself from US influence (and instability) the US has countered with increasing disregard for near unanimous global opposition to its plans for war. That war will inevitably involve US military personnel in combat operations. The strongest confirmation that we have seen of the inevitability of war is a report today on www.narconews.com citing Village Voice media critic Cynthia Cotts who noted on March 2 that "The New York Times plans to move its Buenos Aires bureau to Bogota or Caracas sometime soon. Other papers are following suit. The Los
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:40:51 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:48:50 -0500 with subject "[Fwd: rkm The rise of capitalist elites]" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (165 lines) - Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07848 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14b89M-vY-00; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:40:44 -0500 Received: from 66-44-22-198.s706.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.22.198] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14b89J-0003kM-00 ; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:48:50 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Activist Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Eternera Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: rkm The rise of capitalist elites] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original Message Subject: rkm The rise of capitalist elites Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:57:23 + From: "Richard K. Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] The rise of capitalist elites Central to Smith's model of a market economy was the condition that all buyers and sellers must be small. In this way, prices could not be influenced by individual actors, but would reach a fair and reasonable level - through fair competition between sellers, and comparison shopping on the part of buyers. In Smith's model, very large producers - who had the power to dominate markets - were specifically forbidden. The dynamics of capitalism, on the other hand, lead naturally toward monopoly. While Smith's arguments helped pave the way for capitalism, it is the natural dynamics of capitalism which have prevailed, not the enlightened dynamics which Smith prescribed. If one central principle could be identified, which best characterizes the essence of the Industrial Revolution, that principle would be 'economy of scale'. That's what factories, and steam engines, and mass production are all about. By concentrating lots of equipment, resources, and workers all in one place, it is possible to produce more and cheaper products than with many small operations. In a large operation one can use more powerful and efficient equipment; one can demand discount prices from suppliers; one can set up an efficient distribution system - and there are many other advantages as well. Unless there are sufficient regulatory restrictions placed on the size of an operation, the natural tendency is for the large to gobble the small, and the larger to gobble the large, '...and so adinfinitum'. And this is exactly what has happened, right up to the current day - with its mega retail stores, global fast-food chains, transnational corporations, and the increasing concentration of world commerce into the hands of a small number of huge operators. In order to understand the dynamics of capitalism, recall the capitalist paradigm: 'wealth accumulation through initiative innovation'. Building factories showed one kind of initiative, and lobbying for new economic policies showed another. The entrepreneur and the investor, in pursuit of greater wealth, must always ask themselves the following question: 'Given my available assets, what strategy will bring me the greatest future returns?' The answers to this question are as varied as the human imagination, and it is that 'creativity in pursuit of ever-greater wealth' which has guided the course of history ever since capitalism took hold. Industrialists, bankers, and financiers formed the core of the capitalist community, and as such they were clearly an important and influential segment of society. Governments looked to this community when financing was needed for wars and other government endeavors, and it was from this community that Finance Ministers and other important government officials would usually be selected. The interests of government and the interests of capitalism became intertwined, and government policy increasingly
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-Caveat Lector- Bill Howard wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/31/01 5:06:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nationalize the electric companies. Problem solved. Joshua2 This will just give us a whole new set of problems. Anytime the government gets involved in enterprise, it winds up taking longer and costing more than if private industry did it. Bill You mean like now? In California? I guess we don't live on the same planet. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:50:19 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:56:09 -0500 with subject "Re: Capitalism - It's a beautiful thing to watchfreemarkets dowhat they do best." has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (84 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.62]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14KPZ9-0003F0-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:50:15 -0500 Received: from 66-44-23-239.s1001.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.23.239] helo=starpower.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14KPZ8-0003eq-00 ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:56:09 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Capitalism - It's a beautiful thing to watchfreemarkets dowhat they do best. References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Cone wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua This crisis got out of hand because of deregulation..." This is monumental ignorance from Joshua. Michaelj is correct: "Deregulation did NOT occur." The power companies would love to build more powerplants and have more electricity to sell to the people of California. 1_ Where is it written that privately owned corporations get to decide anything about California's power needs. Why do you even PRESUME such a thing? They have been prevented from doing so by the environmental wacko groups and the politicians and bureaucrats who carry out the anti-development agenda. It has become virtually impossible to build new power plants in California. The regulatory "red tape" (including endless environmental impact studies) have, in effect, prohibited the electric companies from meeting the demand for electricity. 2_ If the people of California vote to paint all buildings and cars pink, then that's way it goes. If they decide that they don't want to live in a poisoned environment, then that just shows how sane they are. If private companies can't meet that requirement, then fuck em. The state should take over complete responsibility for the state's power needs as desired by the state's citizens, and kick out the private businesses who won't or can't comply. It's that simple. Yes. It's that simple. Now the people of California have to shiver in the dark. They won't shiver in the dark for long. Just watch. Blaming the Electric Companies for this state of affairs is a classic example of delusional denial. Regards to All Nakano Nationalize the electric companies. Problem solved. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/31/01 5:06:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nationalize the electric companies. Problem solved. Joshua2 This will just give us a whole new set of problems. Anytime the government gets involved in enterprise, it winds up taking longer and costing more than if private industry did it. Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:39:44 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:43:23 -0500 with subject "Re: NM: Senator to Clinton: Don't Wag the Dog" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (91 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01590 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q4rP-0004E7-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:39:43 -0500 Received: from 209-122-239-198.s452.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.198] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q4rO-0003VU-00 ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:39:43 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:43:23 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] NM: Senator to Clinton: Don't Wag the Dog References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Prudy more or less supported the USA.what do you have Joshua, Dual citizenshp - Do you mean American and English dual citizenship? If anything I could have American and German dual citizenship, but that would be like having alcoholic parents. our sailors murdered in INTERNATIONAL WATERSISRAEL HAD TO PAY DOLLARS ON THAT ONE, DIDN'T THEY - BUT IN THE END IT WAS OUR MONEY THEY PAID OUT, WASN'T IT. No. Actually it was just your money. They didn't tell you because they didn't want you to get upset. USS LIBERTY "Attack one American and you attack all Americans" was recently proclaimed by President Clinton. More recently, an Assistant Secretary for State proclaimed that the U. S. government always protects its citizens. These are damn lies and meaningless words. These words were not true in 1967 (when Israel deliberately attacked the USS LIBERTY,) and unfortunately, and in spite of these beautiful words, they are not even true today. Moreover, there is no such thing as justice. Sad but true. You didn't write this did you? It's coherent. (To see a pilot's eye picture of the USS Liberty CLICK HERE) (To see a bigger, beautiful picture of the Liberty CLICK HERE) (Israel claims they thought it was an Egyptian horse transport.) On that June day in 1967, the weather was beautiful... Clear and sunny, visibility unlimited... the LIBERTY, an elaborate state-of-the art intelligence gathering platform, was in international waters off the Gaza strip and was flying the Stars and Stripes. Israeli reconnaissance planes flew overhead for hours. Pilots and ship's crew waved to each other. Then, inexplicably, unmarked Israeli aircraft began attacking the ship. The defenseless LIBERTY radioed for help. Two aircraft carriers in the Med responded by launching fighter aircraft. Unbelievably, they were recalled by the White House. RADM Geis, then commanding the carriers in the Sixth Fleet, called Washington personally to confirm the order. SecDef McNamara came on the line, then President Johnson. Johnson indicated to Geis that the aircraft were to be returned, that he would not have his allies embarrassed, and that he didn't care who was killed or what was done to the ship. Geis, like any good sailor, recalled the aircraft. Why do you think this happened you retarded cow? It's because the US got caught playing booth sides in a war, and it was betraying its ally. With friends like this, who needs enemies? The US could not afford this kind behavior to become known because it was competing for influence in the world during the cold war. And if it was known that the US was an unreliable ally for the smaller nations to hook up with, then they could always go next door. To the Soviets. That's why they covered up the Liberty incident. This was the same gang that brought us the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Yet another part of the world US forces had no business being in. The Gulf of Yemen is another place they don't need to be. Are we getting the point yet? The US military has no business being outside US borders.
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:54:52 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:58:12 -0500 with subject "Bunch of dupes and bourgie armchair analysts." has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (34 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28635 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q1Lg-00065g-00; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:54:44 -0500 Received: from 216-164-238-88.s342.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.238.88] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q1LT-0003DX-00 ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:58:12 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Activist Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Eternera Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bunch of dupes and bourgie armchair analysts. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 29 October, 2000 Israel Radio correspondent Nissim Keinan reported this evening that he observed the situation at the Carni checkpoint. "At one point Israeli forces shot straight up into the air to scare away the mob. Now even though the soldiers shot straight up in the air, hitting no one, four Palestinain ambulances came up to the crowd with sirens wailing for the benefit of the cameras and proceeded to evacuate a few fake wounded. The only people who were actually wounded while I was there were shot later as they were throwing fire bombs. And they were hit by sharp shooters." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:53:05 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:56:44 -0500 with subject "Re: NM: Senator to Clinton: Don't Wag the Dog" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (88 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03118 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q54J-0006Bt-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:53:03 -0500 Received: from 209-122-239-198.s452.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.239.198] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13q54J-0005C3-00 ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:53:03 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:56:44 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] NM: Senator to Clinton: Don't Wag the Dog References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- One thing I know about you now Joshua, you are either really ignorant or a liar. You don't know anything about anything you ditzy twit. You are about the dumbest lister that's ever been on ctrl. 34 men died on that ship the USS Liberty - 171 wounded, and while our AMERICAN sailors lie upon the decks wounded those cowardly bastards in planes for which the USA paid - bombed and napalmed our men as some lie dead and others dying. This ship was in International Waters How do you know? the Israelies lied and said they flew no colors, Do you know that the Liberty was an electronics packed spy ship? Or was it just on a Mediteranian pleasure cruise while a full scale war was going on? but it was their intent to sink this ship - dead men tell no tales but a message got through. Maybe it was? This is carefully documented and recorded.I have concluded Joshua, you are a stupid liar - as for the Cole, well hisory repeats itself for the Israelies like BARAK the Thug (you knowo he stole that name from the bible You mean like ABRAHAM Lincoln did? and one record revealed he was Lithuanian parentage but other Russian) real name BRUG.they are just indecent inhumane killers - assassins. Yes they are sweetie. So Remember the USS Liberty and the garbage that tried to kill them all. Time to cut off funds to these parasites on the back of the American public - time for Arabs to wake up and put a stop to the slaughter of the innocents. Are you an Arab? Not that there's anything wrong with that. Joshua2 A. Saba Dare To Call It Stupidity Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- One thing I know about you now Joshua, you are either really ignorant or a liar. You don't know anything about anything you ditzy twit. You are about the dumbest lister that's ever been on ctrl. "Dumbest lister that's ever been on ctrl" is not a title to toss around casually. As all long time subscribers know, there is quite a bit of competition for that title. = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Everything our parents said was good is bad. Sun, milk, red meat, college" -- Woody Allen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: -Caveat Lector- One thing I know about you now Joshua, you are either really ignorant or a liar. You don't know anything about anything you ditzy twit. You are about the dumbest lister that's ever been on ctrl. "Dumbest lister that's ever been on ctrl" is not a title to toss around casually. As all long time subscribers know, there is quite a bit of competition for that title. = Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I fully realize that Jeff, so I suggest doing a random search of the archives and compare that with ANYTHING Saba has written. Or we could vote. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:55 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:06:59 -0400 with subject "Re: Palestinian ambulances being used to transport bombsandammunition" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (63 lines) -- Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.107]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02145 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lJIP-YK-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:53 -0400 Received: from 209-122-214-135.s389.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.214.135] helo=starpower.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13lJIO-0004Mo-00 ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:52 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:06:59 -0400 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-STAR032398 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Palestinian ambulances being used to transport bombsandammunition References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/16/00 4:17:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel Radio: Palestinian ambulances being used to transport bombs and ammunition Aaron Lerner Date: 4 October, 2000 Israel Radio Correspondent Nissim Keinan reported this evening from Netzarim Junction in the Gaza Strip that today he observed himself a Palestinian ambulance parked next to Netzarim Junction unloading crates of ammunition and fire bombs. He observed some of the bombs thrown. Keinan noted that the Palestinians are exploiting standing orders in the Israeli Army not to shoot at ambulances. Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review Analysis) Sounds like propaganda to me... Bill. 1) Those are the standing orders. 2) IMRA is extremely reliable as a news source. 3) This doesn't mean that it's not propaganda. But it is true. You are implying that it's not true. But you don't know that do you? J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 18 Aug 2000 18:35:33 - From: "Oscar " [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/cybercrime000811.html By Paul Nowell The Associated Press C H A R L O T T E, N.C., Aug. 11 Saying prevention is better than prosecution, federal law enforcement officials and private companies unveiled a new effort today to protect banks, utilities and other businesses from computer hackers and terrorists. You cant do much after the cow is out of the barn, said U.S. Attorney Mark Calloway at the launching of InfraGard, a program that is opening its first state chapter in North Carolina. The North Carolina InfraGard chapter, with 100 members, will hold its first meeting Sept. 1 at the headquarters of Duke Energy in downtown Charlotte. Plans are in the works to open a satellite office near Research Triangle Park. Grass-roots Crime Fighting InfraGard is a grass-roots effort to respond to the need for cooperation and collaboration in countering the threat of cyber crime and terrorism to private businesses and the government. By the end of September, there will be InfraGard chapters in all 50 states, Calloway said. With advice from the FBI, each local chapter will be run by a board of directors that includes members of private industry, the academic community and public agencies. Banks, utilities, and other businesses and government agencies will use a secure Web site to share information about attempts to hack into their computer networks. Members can join the system at no charge. A key feature of the system is a two-pronged method of reporting attacks. A sanitized description of a hacking attempt or other incident one that doesnt reveal the name or sensitive information about the victim can be shared with the other members to spot trends. Then a more detailed description also can be sent to the FBIs computer crimes unit to determine if there are grounds for an investigation. Service Free for Members The key is the sharing of the information, said Doris Gardner, who is in charge of the FBIs computer crimes unit in Charlotte. When someone learns that someone from Brazil is trying to get into their personal computer, all they know is that they were knocking on the door, she said. They dont know if that same hacker is trying to do the same thing to a state agency in Raleigh. Cybercrime has jumped in recent years across the nation, particularly in hotbeds of financial commerce and technology like Charlotte. Ten years ago, all you needed to protect yourself was a safe, a fence and security officers, said Chris Swecker, who is in charge of the FBIs Charlotte office. Now any business with a modem is subject to attack. FBI agents investigating computer hacking that disrupted popular Web sites including Amazon.com, CNN and Yahoo! this year identified several North Carolina victims. The investigation has also identified computer systems in North Carolina used by hackers to commit such attacks. Prosecutions of hackers have been hampered by the reluctance of businesses to report security intrusions for fear of bad publicity and lost business. Meanwhile, too many corporations have made it too easy for criminals by sacrificing security for speed and accessibility. Jack Wiles, who will lead the local InfraGard chapters board, said a recent report estimated 97 percent of all cybercrime goes undetected. Wiles, a computer security expert, has a firewall on his personal computer to prevent hackers from getting into his files. I get at least one report a day that somebody was trying to get into my computer, he said. The Net is a wonderful place, but its also a dangerous one. *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Feel free to distribute widely but PLEASE acknowledge the source. *** ~~ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38170,00.html http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,353892,00.html http://www.rwor.org/home-e.htm http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/empowerment/ -- Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and
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-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:00:48 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nu Rev [EMAIL PROTECTED] The distribution of your message dated Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:58:57 -0700 with subject "Re: The bombing of Yugoslavia" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (45 lines) -- Received: from ns.kreative.net (NS.kreative.net [209.194.120.201]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02849 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.kreative.net (dialdc43.kreative.net [216.84.54.44]) by ns.kreative.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27481; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:58:57 -0700 From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The bombing of Yugoslavia References: 001d01be82e7$60be67e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Pitt wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello CTRL, I have question for any of you observing the bombing of Yugoslavia. Has anyone seen on any major media news service the full consequences of the bombing of Yugoslavia? I have only to date seen the structural damage to buildings and other types of structures being done. I have yet to see any dead bodies as in dead people in any of the stuff broadcast on T.V.. I have heard the newscatsters repeatally report that some numbers of people have been rumored to have been killed by Serbian officeals. I would bet even money they are not showing any of the dead bodies or dead people in the views of bombed out buildings and structures in order to propagandally sanitize the bombing going on over there. If the general public were allowed to view the entire consequences of the bombing over there I think they would view this very differently. There is a mass campaign to try and enlist new young recruits to all branches of the military. In my oppinion if they saw on T.V. the actual bodies of! ! dead people as a direct result of war I seriously doubt they would enlist. I would like to hear anyones oppinion concern the topic of the medias lack of total reporting of the Bombing of Yugoslavia. They to date are only broadcasting half truths if that much. Have a great day :-) Best regards, Mark Allen Pitt :-) A.A.S. ;-) aka Scroll lock *.* BBS ICQ number; 4861371 email; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page; http://www.geocities.com/Area51/9357 Zero Mass Energy; The Study of Free Systems. C-Span runs Serbian news with English subtitles from Serbia quite often. The propaganda is stilted and not of the quality that the West puts out. Much of the propaganda is factual it appears. Plenty of dead bodies. Lots of destruction. Probably all real. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- But slavery was an evil institution. That is merely your opinion, and it does not comport with the Bible. You are welcome to it, and you are certainly not alone in that opinion. But I base my criteria on "stronger stuff" than personal opinion. By the way, at one time I would have agreed with you. I was "compelled" to study slavery in order to support my position that it was evil, but my study resulted in forcing me to reject my initial beliefs concerning it. As you may have gathered, I am VERY libertarian in my political philosophy. As a libertarian, I would have to reject slavery, either an an owner or a slave. But as a Christian, I cannot condemn it. In his long post there is much which I am in total agreement with. However, the above is not my view. I believe that Hawk would be correct if he were only to use the old testiment as reference. However, I believe that Jesus set a higher standard when he said that we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us. I don't believe the ownership of slaves is compatable with that admonishment. You are, of course, welcome to draw any conclusions you wish from a text that says nothing whatsoever about the institution of slavery. There are a number of New Testament passages that speak DIRECTLY to the issue, and not a single one of them even remotely criticizes the institution of slavery... In fact, the opposite is true. Slaves are told to "be good slaves, industrious, honest" etc. Masters are told to supervise/manage their slaves without resorting to intimidation and brutality. Oenesimus, a run-away slave, was told to return to to his master, and Paul told the master, Philemon, that he would personally recompense him for whatever Oenesimus might have stolen or cost him in lost productivity. If slavery were immoral, and the biblical writers spoke of the institution many times, they were strangely remiss for not criticizing Christian slave-holders. (Though I can understand the problem of those who (like Jefferson) inherited slaves and did not understand what to do about the situation). I don't, however, believe that Jesus would have called upon his disciples to take up the sword against their owners. You may speculate all you wish about what Jesus might have said. But an honest study of the issue of slavery will not lead to the conclusion that it is immoral. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? Or sleep with? ;-) That one's cute, too.. I married a poor girl... She's rich now, though. Avoids answering the question of who you stepped on or slept with to become so successful in business to become rich white trash... My, my... You are so bereft of manners... I will answer your stupid question directly... I "stepped on" no one, and I have not "slept with" anyone other than my wife... It is amazing to me that people such as you cannot comprehend success without chicanery... I suppose that it reflects your normal behavior. One good thing about being poor...you don't lose sleep at night worrying someone will take your 'stuff'... ;-) OH? Poor people like to have their "stuff" stolen??? No, we don't have 'stuff' to BE stolen! ;-) Bullshit. (or at least, not anything anyone else would waste their time on)... You also notice Squawk is so very willing to steal someone ELSE'S resources, while worrying about preserving his own toys... That is simply a lie... I have never stolen anyone ELSE'S resources... But you argue that it is your RIGHT to take as much oil from the ground to feed your gas-guzzler... No... As a matter of fact, I haven't taken ANY oil from the ground.. Some people who owned oil in the ground extracted it and sold it to some people who made gasoline with it, and they sold it to me... Simple things are very confusing to you, aren't they? Your hypocrisy is amazing. as though you don't enjoy the benefits of plentiful and relatively inexpensive petroleum products... Just WHERE do you think that oil resides? Unless you're Jethro with your own 'bubbling crude', that oil you want to extract to your heart's content belongs to other people... I think it "resides" in the ground... As a matter of fact some of it belongs to me. And I'd like to sell more of it... In the meanwhile, I haven't taken any oil from anyone who didn't have desire to sell it... It is only people such as you who think they have the right to take by force what other people own. You argue that all the minerals in the Earth should be exploited for your own use -- do you live on top of a mine? Nope... wish I did, though. If not, then you are arguing for taking the resources which belong to others, and wasting them for your own frivolous needs... That's bullshit, too. I don't "take resources" from anyone... That's what facsists and socialists (such as you) do. I purchase what I use from willing sellers What I do with them after that is none of your business... Furthermore, you haven't a clue as to whether I use them for necessities or frivolous purposes. For someone so focused on what a people PRODUCE, I wonder just what SQUAWK produces...other than a lot of hot air... I make a better-than-average living providing information... Then you admit that you in fact do NOT 'produce' a thing... Mostly I help my clients keep a larger portion of what they produce. Their greatest threat to success is folks like you who feel that they have a right to what my clients own. I am a consultant. A paid producer of hot air... Whatever The people who pay me do so willingly, so I suppose they think the "hot air" is worth something. Lots of people pay quite handsomly to hear what I think... You are a fortunate recipient of my wisdom at no charge... See how generous I am? As are you...I also am a consultant, billed out at $125+ an hour... but unlike you, I also produce something tangible in addition to my hot air, as my 'information' is followed up with a service... Good for you... I charge a bit more than you do... I wonder if your psychic abilities (or lack thereof) came through training or were they inherited? What makes you think I don't provide on-going services? June... You make yourself look foolish with these kinds of accusations and bitter denunciations... It boils down to this: You think that the only way people obtain wealth is by chicanery or extortion... I presume that is your normal way of doing business, or you would not think that way. I risk making the same mistake that you have made by surmising that your pay comes primarily from some government source rather than honest market-place give and take. You, and those who think (I use the word loosely) like you do seem to feel that its OK for you and your pals to take whatever I own (my "stuff") and use it for your own purposes. I wonder then, if you think it would be "just peachy" if me and some of my pals showed up at your place, and by threat of violence took whatever we wanted that you have. If you are truely "democratic" all that would be necessary is that we "outnumber" you. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
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The distribution of your message dated Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:29:21 -0600 with subject "Re: Stampeding Bison" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (60 lines) -- Received: from mail2.ballistic.com (mail2.ballistic.com [208.211.146.6]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20170 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ballistic.com (tpm2-162.ballistic.com [208.211.146.162]) by mail2.ballistic.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05325 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:34 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:29:21 -0600 From: Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: But slavery was an evil institution. That is merely your opinion, and it does not comport with the Bible. You are welcome to it, and you are certainly not alone in that opinion. But I base my criteria on "stronger stuff" than personal opinion. By the way, at one time I would have agreed with you. I was "compelled" to study slavery in order to support my position that it was evil, but my study resulted in forcing me to reject my initial beliefs concerning it. As you may have gathered, I am VERY libertarian in my political philosophy. As a libertarian, I would have to reject slavery, either an an owner or a slave. But as a Christian, I cannot condemn it. In his long post there is much which I am in total agreement with. However, the above is not my view. I believe that Hawk would be correct if he were only to use the old testiment as reference. However, I believe that Jesus set a higher standard when he said that we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us. I don't believe the ownership of slaves is compatable with that admonishment. You are, of course, welcome to draw any conclusions you wish from a text that says nothing whatsoever about the institution of slavery. There are a number of New Testament passages that speak DIRECTLY to the issue, and not a single one of them even remotely criticizes the institution of slavery... In fact, the opposite is true. Slaves are told to "be good slaves, industrious, honest" etc. Masters are told to supervise/manage their slaves without resorting to intimidation and brutality. Oenesimus, a run-away slave, was told to return to to his master, and Paul told the master, Philemon, that he would personally recompense him for whatever Oenesimus might have stolen or cost him in lost productivity. If slavery were immoral, and the biblical writers spoke of the institution many times, they were strangely remiss for not criticizing Christian slave-holders. (Though I can understand the problem of those who (like Jefferson) inherited slaves and did not understand what to do about the situation). I don't, however, believe that Jesus would have called upon his disciples to take up the sword against their owners. You may speculate all you wish about what Jesus might have said. But an honest study of the issue of slavery will not lead to the conclusion that it is immoral. Hawk
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The distribution of your message dated Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:54:59 -0600 with subject "Re: Yeah, yeah" has been rejected because you have exceeded the daily per-user message limit for the CTRL list. Other than the list owner, no one is allowed to post more than 7 messages per day. Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. Rejected message (129 lines) - Received: from mail2.ballistic.com (mail2.ballistic.com [208.211.146.6]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25052 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ballistic.com (tpm2-162.ballistic.com [208.211.146.162]) by mail2.ballistic.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07223 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:55:13 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:54:59 -0600 From: Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Yeah, yeah References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? Or sleep with? ;-) That one's cute, too.. I married a poor girl... She's rich now, though. Avoids answering the question of who you stepped on or slept with to become so successful in business to become rich white trash... My, my... You are so bereft of manners... I will answer your stupid question directly... I "stepped on" no one, and I have not "slept with" anyone other than my wife... It is amazing to me that people such as you cannot comprehend success without chicanery... I suppose that it reflects your normal behavior. One good thing about being poor...you don't lose sleep at night worrying someone will take your 'stuff'... ;-) OH? Poor people like to have their "stuff" stolen??? No, we don't have 'stuff' to BE stolen! ;-) Bullshit. (or at least, not anything anyone else would waste their time on)... You also notice Squawk is so very willing to steal someone ELSE'S resources, while worrying about preserving his own toys... That is simply a lie... I have never stolen anyone ELSE'S resources... But you argue that it is your RIGHT to take as much oil from the ground to feed your gas-guzzler... No... As a matter of fact, I haven't taken ANY oil from the ground.. Some people who owned oil in the ground extracted it and sold it to some people who made gasoline with it, and they sold it to me... Simple things are very confusing to you, aren't they? Your hypocrisy is amazing. as though you don't enjoy the benefits of plentiful and relatively inexpensive petroleum products... Just WHERE do you think that oil resides? Unless you're Jethro with your own 'bubbling crude', that oil you want to extract to your heart's content belongs to other people... I think it "resides" in the ground... As a matter of fact some of it belongs to me. And I'd like to sell more of it... In the meanwhile, I haven't taken any oil from anyone who didn't have desire to sell it... It is only people such as you who think they have the right to take by force what other people own. You argue that all the minerals in the Earth should be exploited for your own use -- do you live on top of a mine? Nope... wish I did, though. If not, then you are arguing for taking the resources which belong to others, and wasting them for your own frivolous needs... That's bullshit, too. I don't "take resources" from anyone... That's what facsists and socialists (such as you) do. I purchase what I use from willing sellers What I do with them after that is none of your business... Furthermore, you haven't a clue as to whether I use them for necessities or frivolous purposes. For someone so focused on what a people PRODUCE, I wonder just what SQUAWK produces...other than a lot of hot air... I make a better-than-average living providing information... Then you admit that you in fact do NOT 'produce' a thing... Mostly I help my clients keep a larger portion of what they produce. Their greatest threat to success is folks like you who feel that they have a right to what my clients own. I am a consultant. A paid producer of hot air... Whatever The people who pay me do so willingly, so I suppose they think the "hot air" is worth something. Lots of people pay quite handsomly to hear what I think... You are a fortunate recipient of my wisdom at no charge... See how generous I am? As are you...I also am a consultant, billed out at $125+ an hour... but unlike you, I also produce something tangible in addition to my hot air, as my 'information' is followed up with a service... Good for you... I charge a bit more than you do... I wonder if your psychic abilities (or
