Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico
-Caveat Lector- I like the attach form. On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:30:55 -0700, Hilary A. Thomas wrote: I can't open these files. Can you send the text not as an attachment, but within an email? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico
Attached is a CIA document regarding Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico, declassified three decades after the fact. It's called "The Lopez Report." It would make a great movie. Her name was Silvia. She worked the visa desk. She looked for all the world like Ronnie Spector, lead singer of the quintessential Sixties gringo girl group, the Ronettes. Everybody knew she was a spy. Nobody knew for whom. Everybody knew what she liked in bed, though. She liked gringos, blonde gringos. Silvia looked up from her desk one day. A handsome blonde gringo was eyeing her assets. "Is there anything I can, uh, do for you today senor, . . . senor . . . ?" He smiled knowingly and extended his hand. "Oswald," he said, "Lee Oswald." Lopez_Report_(ascii) LEE HARVEY OSWALD THE CIA AND MEXICO CITY I. INTRODUCTION A. Issues Addressed 1 B. Differences Between the Warren Commission Investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald's Activities in Mexico City and the House Select Committee on Assassination's Investigation. 3 C. Conclusions 5 D. Structure and Relevancy 10 II. Central Intelligence Agency Surveillance Operations in Mexico City in September and October 1963 A. Photographic Surveillance Operations Aimed at the Cuban Diplomatic Compound 12 1. Introduction12 2. Physical Positioning of Surveillance Bases and Targets 12 3. Objectives of Operation and Scope of Coverage Provided 13 4. Disposition of Production from the Operation 30 B. Photographic Surveillance Operations Aimed at the Soviet Diplomatic Compound31 1. Introduction31 2. Physical Positioning of Surveillance Bases and Targets 31 3. Objectives of Operation and Scope of Coverage Provided 33 4. Procedure and Timing Involved in Processing Production from the Operation 45 5. Responsibility for the Operation47 6. Coordination of Surveillance Operations 52 a. [missing] 53 b. Analysis and Reporting of Information Obtained 54 3. [redacted] 56 4. [13 chars] from Operation 58 a. Types 59 b. Handling Procedures59 (1) Resuma59 (2) [redacted] 60 (3) [redacted] 61 (a) [redacted] 61 (b) [redacted] 62 (c) [redacted] 64 (d) [redacted] 66 (e) Expedited Procedure 67 (f) [redacted] 70 (g) Format 71 c. Voice Comparisons 72 III. Information About Lee Harvey Oswald's stay in Mexico that was Known by the CIA Mexico City Station Prior to the Assassination of John Kennedy and the Sources of that Information A. Information that was Available 72 1. Information Available to the Mexico City Station from [ ] surveillance at the Soviet Consulate and Millitary Attache's Office 73 a. September 27, 1963, Friday 73 b. September 28, 1963, Saturday 76 c. October 1, 1963, Tuesday 78 d. October 3, 1963, Thursday 79 2. Information Available to the Mexico City CIA Station from CIA Headquarters 80 3. Information Available to the Mexico City Station from [ ] Surveillance Aimed at the Cuban Diplomatic Compound 81 4. Information Available to the Mexico City Station from Photographic Surveillance of the Soviet and Cuban Diplomatic Compounds81 5. Possibility that Additional
Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico
-Caveat Lector- I can't open these files. Can you send the text not as an attachment, but within an email? Thanks, Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico
-Caveat Lector- .. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Phony Oswald in Mexico Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:18 PM -- -- The following information sort of puts a dent in the "magic bullet" and "one assassin" doesn't it? Mel Oswald impersonator called embassy Monday, November 22, 1999 By DEB RIECHMANN Associated Press WASHINGTON - Hours after President Kennedy was assassinated, FBI agents reportedly listened to a tape of a phone call that a man identifying himself as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. They made a startling discovery: The voice on the tape was not Oswald's, government records say. This controversial tape has been a question mark in the assassination investigation since Kennedy was killed. The assassination occurred 36 years ago today and only now have new details about the tape come to light. The CIA said years ago that the tapes on which it recorded the call were erased. Documents released in recent years said otherwise. The latest and newest of declassified documents offer more evidence that the tapes survived. The discovery that the voice on the tape was someone other than Oswald was a "disquieting discovery because the man who impersonated Oswald was still at large," said John Newman, an ex-military intelligence analyst, author and professor at the University of Maryland. Oswald was in Mexico City in September and October 1963. During his one-week stay, he contacted the Soviet Embassy and the Cuban consulate, inquiring about visas needed to go to the Soviet Union via Cuba. It is widely known that the CIA bugged telephones and took surveillance photos at both the embassy and consulate. But the agency maintained that it had routinely erased and reused tapes of the phone intercepts. A message from the CIA's Mexico City station to headquarters on Nov. 24, 1963, said: "HQ has full transcripts all pertinent calls. Regret complete recheck shows tapes for this period already erased." It was also known that while he was in Mexico City, Oswald had contact with Valeriy Kostikov - a man that one CIA memo described as a "case officer in an operation which is evidently sponsored by the KGB's 13th Department responsible for sabotage and assassination." It was the caller who is thought to have impersonated Oswald who links him to this Soviet spy unit known as Department 13. Newly declassified documents - some released in the past six months - say that after the president was shot, a Navy plane carried a top-secret package from Mexico City to Dallas and landed there about 4 a.m. EST the day after the murder. Former FBI Agent Eldon Rudd, later a Republican congressman from Arizona, was aboard the plane. "There were no tapes to my knowledge," Rudd said in a telephone interview. "I brought the pictures up (from Mexico) and it was my understanding that it was just pictures." Documents contradict Rudd's understanding. A newly released memo dated Nov. 27, 1963, from FBI headquarters to its office in Mexico City, stated: "If tapes covering any contacts subject (Oswald) with Soviet or Cuban embassies available, forward to bureau for laboratory examination and analysis together with transcript. Include tapes previously reviewed Dallas if they were returned to you." And a transcript of a telephone call FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover made to President Johnson just six hours after the plane arrived in Dallas supports the belief that FBI agents listened to a tape that suggested an impersonation. "We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy using Oswald's name," Hoover told Johnson, according to a transcript of that call released in 1993. "That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there." While they would not speculate about the identity of the caller, several assassination researchers privately offered some explanations: Oswald could have been impersonated by a CIA officer who called the Soviet Embassy simply to fish for details about what Oswald was doing in Mexico City. Or, maybe someone was trying to link Oswald to the KGB's assassination unit before Kennedy's murder. Whatever the answer, there was plenty of reason for worry in Washington about any evidence pointing to Soviets or Cubans as somehow involved in the assassination. Relations with the former Soviet Union were icy. Both sides were armed with nuclear weapons. The Cuban missile crisis was still very much on America's mind. "The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that
